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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2024 4:42:01 GMT
Would you be confident breathing in the air directly from a bus exhaust pipe if you think that Euro6 diesels are enough? That is an irrelevant question to this topic but I will answer. Ofc not! Have no idea what your point is? Batteries pollute more, that is my own opinion. They are also unhealthy. Batteries don’t pollute, it’s the process in creating batteries that is where the pollution lies but this will inevitably drop as new technologies in creating batteries are discovered. If a battery is unhealthy, so is Euro VI diesel vehicle & I suspect more pollution occurs overall when combining the production processes and at tailpipe releasing compared to battery production.
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Post by abellion on Mar 30, 2024 7:18:40 GMT
A small rant: Putting my love for Diesel buses to aside, the TFL bus network is just deteriorating and sadly my interest is reducing. Someone be kind enough to say whether this is normal or not? My mum says it is cos I am growing up. Finally just to be clear, I have a personal principle (said before) that we simply do not need buses with batteries or any form of so called "reducing emissions" tech, that is why I will use only Diesel buses as much as possible. Ofc it will eventually be a daily need to use Hybrid/Electric but atm I take day by day. Yes I like engine sounds but it is not the core reason of my conventional Diesel bus preference. When I have free time believe me I do so much research. I compare information from different sites. All are welcome to challenge and disagree but I am confident that Diesel @ E6 is clean enough without need for any other techs or batteries driving the vehicle e.g Hybrid / Electric. Watch this space for E7 coming out next year. Surely your research has shown you some of the products of engines. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas , carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides are noxious gases, sulfur dioxide is also dangerous to inhale and it’s acidic nature can cause many environmental issues, and so on… “Euro6 is clean enough” makes no sense when they’re still actively producing harmful gases.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 30, 2024 10:49:06 GMT
A small rant: Putting my love for Diesel buses to aside, the TFL bus network is just deteriorating and sadly my interest is reducing. Someone be kind enough to say whether this is normal or not? My mum says it is cos I am growing up. Finally just to be clear, I have a personal principle (said before) that we simply do not need buses with batteries or any form of so called "reducing emissions" tech, that is why I will use only Diesel buses as much as possible. Ofc it will eventually be a daily need to use Hybrid/Electric but atm I take day by day. Yes I like engine sounds but it is not the core reason of my conventional Diesel bus preference. When I have free time believe me I do so much research. I compare information from different sites. All are welcome to challenge and disagree but I am confident that Diesel @ E6 is clean enough without need for any other techs or batteries driving the vehicle e.g Hybrid / Electric. Watch this space for E7 coming out next year. Surely your research has shown you some of the products of engines. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas , carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides are noxious gases, sulfur dioxide is also dangerous to inhale and it’s acidic nature can cause many environmental issues, and so on… “Euro6 is clean enough” makes no sense when they’re still actively producing harmful gases. But you happily breath unfiltered fumes from burning gas in your own homes, even worse if you burn wood? Why is no-one worried about this as much as motoring? Residential homes are the largest source of pollutants in the UK these days, and the amount produced is increasing, not decreasing like motoring pollution.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 30, 2024 11:21:31 GMT
That is an irrelevant question to this topic but I will answer. Ofc not! Have no idea what your point is? Batteries pollute more, that is my own opinion. They are also unhealthy. Batteries don’t pollute, it’s the process in creating batteries that is where the pollution lies but this will inevitably drop as new technologies in creating batteries are discovered. If a battery is unhealthy, so is Euro VI diesel vehicle & I suspect more pollution occurs overall when combining the production processes and at tailpipe releasing compared to battery production. Batteries do pollute, in fact the produce some nasty toxic substances, but hey, they are not produced in this country so it seems the majority just discard the fact, it will not be the western worlds problem to deal with these toxic lakes www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/01/south-america-s-lithium-fields-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-futureIt needs 2.2m litres of water to produce 1 tonne of lithium. Some these areas there are not great quantities of water supply and the population v mining requirements bring regular disputes. What will the long term consequences of the contamination and pollution in these areas? It is unknown for now ... but these things normally come back to bite humanity in the backside
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Post by abellion on Mar 30, 2024 11:43:23 GMT
Surely your research has shown you some of the products of engines. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas , carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides are noxious gases, sulfur dioxide is also dangerous to inhale and it’s acidic nature can cause many environmental issues, and so on… “Euro6 is clean enough” makes no sense when they’re still actively producing harmful gases. But you happily breath unfiltered fumes from burning gas in your own homes, even worse if you burn wood? Why is no-one worried about this as much as motoring? Residential homes are the largest source of pollutants in the UK these days, and the amount produced is increasing, not decreasing like motoring pollution. I'm talking about motoring because thats what our discussion was about, residental emission concerns are valid but aren't directly related to the argument about Euro6 engines being clean enough.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2024 11:47:37 GMT
Batteries don’t pollute, it’s the process in creating batteries that is where the pollution lies but this will inevitably drop as new technologies in creating batteries are discovered. If a battery is unhealthy, so is Euro VI diesel vehicle & I suspect more pollution occurs overall when combining the production processes and at tailpipe releasing compared to battery production. Batteries do pollute, in fact the produce some nasty toxic substances, but hey, they are not produced in this country so it seems the majority just discard the fact, it will not be the western worlds problem to deal with these toxic lakes Sorry but please read again what I wrote because I didn’t say they don’t pollute at all.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 30, 2024 11:51:22 GMT
Batteries do pollute, in fact the produce some nasty toxic substances, but hey, they are not produced in this country so it seems the majority just discard the fact, it will not be the western worlds problem to deal with these toxic lakes Sorry but please read again what I wrote because I didn’t say they don’t pollute at all. You seem to have trivialised it and passed it off in a few words and accepted that you are happy to pollute others
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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2024 11:56:02 GMT
Sorry but please read again what I wrote because I didn’t say they don’t pollute at all. You seem to have trivialised it and passed it off in a few words and accepted that you are happy to pollute others Sorry but you have no right to tell me how my post might look so as I said, try reading next time.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 30, 2024 11:58:18 GMT
But you happily breath unfiltered fumes from burning gas in your own homes, even worse if you burn wood? Why is no-one worried about this as much as motoring? Residential homes are the largest source of pollutants in the UK these days, and the amount produced is increasing, not decreasing like motoring pollution. I'm talking about motoring because thats what our discussion was about, residental emission concerns are valid but aren't directly related to the argument about Euro6 engines being clean enough. Exhausts are clean enough it is very hard to commit suicide by gassing yourself in your car these days ... probably fail and end up with brain damage instead. There so many people that demonise motoring, when it has its house in order, and there are many other things that don't. Euro 7 is less than a year away, motoring pollution is being tackled, yet is the one people demonise most, yet those sources that are increasing seemingly are acceptable and little is done about them.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 30, 2024 12:04:03 GMT
You seem to have trivialised it and passed it off in a few words and accepted that you are happy to pollute others Sorry but you have no right to tell me how my post might look so as I said, try reading next time. Sorry, your 3 first words were "Batteries don't pollute" ... How can that be taken any other way, when they clearly do, and you start your sentence like that? By starting a statement like that you have immediately trivialised the issue.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2024 13:51:44 GMT
Sorry but you have no right to tell me how my post might look so as I said, try reading next time. Sorry, your 3 first words were "Batteries don't pollute" ... How can that be taken any other way, when they clearly do, and you start your sentence like that? By starting a statement like that you have immediately trivialised the issue. So you only read three words of people's posts then - look what it says right afterwards those three words. Anyway, read the full post next time because I'm done arguing over such nonsense.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 30, 2024 20:18:30 GMT
Would you be confident breathing in the air directly from a bus exhaust pipe if you think that Euro6 diesels are enough? That is an irrelevant question to this topic but I will answer. Ofc not! Have no idea what your point is? Batteries pollute more, that is my own opinion. They are also unhealthy. It does have relevance. If you are not happy breathing it in then why would you be happy with diesel buses sticking around and polluting? A diesel bus will never be zero emission, but electric technology eventually can be which is the point. I'm not sure what research you're doing if this is the conclusion you're coming to.
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Post by yunus on Mar 30, 2024 23:01:54 GMT
That is an irrelevant question to this topic but I will answer. Ofc not! Have no idea what your point is? Batteries pollute more, that is my own opinion. They are also unhealthy. It does have relevance. If you are not happy breathing it in then why would you be happy with diesel buses sticking around and polluting? A diesel bus will never be zero emission, but electric technology eventually can be which is the point. I'm not sure what research you're doing if this is the conclusion you're coming to. With all respect I 100% disagree with you. Electrics also pollute as I have stated many times, even more than E6. We cannot believe what the govt and people in power tell us or want us to be fooled with their lies. Ofc you and anyone are entitled to their own opinion. I have been against this Electric nonsense from day 1, exactly as I was against Hybrids when they were revealed. Oh and all the research did was make me aware that I was right all along...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2024 23:06:30 GMT
It does have relevance. If you are not happy breathing it in then why would you be happy with diesel buses sticking around and polluting? A diesel bus will never be zero emission, but electric technology eventually can be which is the point. I'm not sure what research you're doing if this is the conclusion you're coming to. Electrics also pollute as I have stated many times, even more than E6. How exactly have you come to that conclusion?
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Post by yunus on Mar 30, 2024 23:12:39 GMT
Electrics also pollute as I have stated many times, even more than E6. How exactly have you come to that conclusion? Many things such as research, talking with others who have knowledge in the field and adding 2 + 2 myself.
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