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Post by 6HP502C on May 8, 2024 20:14:38 GMT
Hi everyone, just wondered what the difference was between the go ahead vwl and wvl classes of geminis. thanks very much! The VWLs had 5 speed ZF transmissions, something none of the WVLs had. The VWLs had the same engines but were programmed to run at 250bhp, vs 215bhp for the WVLs. The VWLs were good buses - they appeared on the 185 in the evenings are were much more lively in their performance than the VPs they ran alongside. I don’t know anything about the 04 plate WVLs but the 02 plates were superb, closely followed by the 52 plates - youtu.be/lU_ZmzAxU0A?
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Post by redexpress on May 9, 2024 11:02:22 GMT
Hi everyone, just wondered what the difference was between the go ahead vwl and wvl classes of geminis. thanks very much! The VWLs had 5 speed ZF transmissions, something none of the WVLs had. The VWLs had the same engines but were programmed to run at 250bhp, vs 215bhp for the WVLs. The VWLs were good buses - they appeared on the 185 in the evenings are were much more lively in their performance than the VPs they ran alongside. I don’t know anything about the 04 plate WVLs but the 02 plates were superb, closely followed by the 52 plates - youtu.be/lU_ZmzAxU0A?Surprising that the ETB B7TLs were 250bhp, given that TfL were the ones who insisted that operators always chose the lower-powered option. I can't remember when that rule came in - I guess not long after the 2002 VWLs were ordered. Pretty sure the rule was in place by 2004 so I guess the 04-reg ones would have been 215bhp?
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Post by mondraker275 on May 9, 2024 14:40:20 GMT
I thought buses were limited in their movement when rear doors are open? Had a wild scene where an old lady creeping towards the back doors trying to get off. Driver does not notice, closes doors, for them to reopen (possibly because of interference), driver drives off quickly, beats the lights and takes a left turn with the old lady holding on at this point and passengers shouting. Wild. If it had been a right turn then this could have been worse. It was a MMC on 261.
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Post by galwhv69 on May 9, 2024 17:53:17 GMT
I thought buses were limited in their movement when rear doors are open? Had a wild scene where an old lady creeping towards the back doors trying to get off. Driver does not notice, closes doors, for them to reopen (possibly because of interference), driver drives off quickly, beats the lights and takes a left turn with the old lady holding on at this point and passengers shouting. Wild. If it had been a right turn then this could have been worse. It was a MMC on 261. Sounds like a faulty interlock/door system, should probably be reported to TfL/Stagecoach as a safety issue
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Post by COBO on May 9, 2024 19:30:17 GMT
So I requested the Shepherd’s Bush bound 95 to stop at Hanger Lane Gyratory because I wanted to get off and get the south Harrow bound 487. He misses that stop and drops me off at Hanger Lane Station stop the stop that is served by the Ealing bound 483 and 112. Which I understand because the Gyratory stop wasn’t closed.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 10, 2024 9:14:15 GMT
That end has other parallel routes operating along side it. A lot of the Croydon end is unique, especially if waiting on Morland Road without Countdown displays. Yet more evidence of how buses are not operated before the benefit of passengers, rather the operators. It is rubbish. If GAL continue to operate the 197 from PM like this, I sincerely hope they lose it come 2026. To who? Arriva do this the minute someone sneezes on one of their buses while Abellio are full now. Stagecoach could probably manage out of KB. the 197 was not turned anywhere like this, there was not that much loss traffic mileage on the route when it was Arriva.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 10, 2024 9:16:20 GMT
Most operators use 30% rule these days and expect more of it especially when they do go Electric. I was in town earlier and noticed a number of curtailed buses on the 54 75 185 208 however will go unnoticed. There is obviously major disruption today on many routes The 197 is one of those routes regardless of who runs it will run into difficulties however it is definitely more noticeable that PM running the route now because of the end it is run from. C ran the route with no problem. In addition well why did you mention Stagecoach should gain the 197 then? Overall there is a fair share of individuals on here who would wish operators loose work. In addition it’s not the first time SILENCED has complained about the 197 at PM. I just said Stagecoach could, I didn't mention that they should. I complained about the 173 multiple times, yet people from miles away would run to its defence. So why is it fine all of a sudden for people to want GAL to lose the 197? Your fictitious lies about the 173, when I have seen Stagecoach do the same and worst put many of them into Chadwell Heath or Becontree Heath and peeing off many of the people of Chadwell Heath Lane which has more people using it than the withering section at Beckton. even worse many NHS staff complain over this who work at King George Hospital
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 10, 2024 9:21:41 GMT
Hi everyone, just wondered what the difference was between the go ahead vwl and wvl classes of geminis. thanks very much! The VWLs had 5 speed ZF transmissions, something none of the WVLs had. The VWLs had the same engines but were programmed to run at 250bhp, vs 215bhp for the WVLs. The VWLs were good buses - they appeared on the 185 in the evenings are were much more lively in their performance than the VPs they ran alongside. I don’t know anything about the 04 plate WVLs but the 02 plates were superb, closely followed by the 52 plates - youtu.be/lU_ZmzAxU0A?So what did the native B7TL's from Go - Ahead have for gearboxes. I thought the earlier ones were 5 speed ZF as well with the last ones being 6 speed. I think it was more than ECU mapping the difference between the 215 and 250 bhp examples. I have the literature somewhere from years ago from Volvo. It is strange that TfL had purchase the higher powered buses for East Thames Buses as by then there was a ban on the higher powered engines unless dispensation was given. This was from 2001
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 10, 2024 9:22:51 GMT
The VWLs had 5 speed ZF transmissions, something none of the WVLs had. The VWLs had the same engines but were programmed to run at 250bhp, vs 215bhp for the WVLs. The VWLs were good buses - they appeared on the 185 in the evenings are were much more lively in their performance than the VPs they ran alongside. I don’t know anything about the 04 plate WVLs but the 02 plates were superb, closely followed by the 52 plates - youtu.be/lU_ZmzAxU0A?Surprising that the ETB B7TLs were 250bhp, given that TfL were the ones who insisted that operators always chose the lower-powered option. I can't remember when that rule came in - I guess not long after the 2002 VWLs were ordered. Pretty sure the rule was in place by 2004 so I guess the 04-reg ones would have been 215bhp? It was early 2001 I can recall. You may be able to check it out by the VIN number.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 10, 2024 9:37:30 GMT
I just said Stagecoach could, I didn't mention that they should. I complained about the 173 multiple times, yet people from miles away would run to its defence. So why is it fine all of a sudden for people to want GAL to lose the 197? Your fictitious lies about the 173, when I have seen Stagecoach do the same and worst put many of them into Chadwell Heath or Becontree Heath and peeing off many of the people of Chadwell Heath Lane which has more people using it than the withering section at Beckton. even worse many NHS staff complain over this who work at King George Hospital The bit of the 173 that traverses one of the busiest roads in the country is the withering section, and the crowds that get on at Beckton can easily be ignored? It's not lies because it has literally happened to me multiple times. Whether you are happy to admit it or not, Stagecoach has been a remarkable improvement to the route and I know multiple users myself who would agree the same.
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Post by M1104 on May 10, 2024 9:52:15 GMT
The VWLs had 5 speed ZF transmissions, something none of the WVLs had. The VWLs had the same engines but were programmed to run at 250bhp, vs 215bhp for the WVLs. The VWLs were good buses - they appeared on the 185 in the evenings are were much more lively in their performance than the VPs they ran alongside. I don’t know anything about the 04 plate WVLs but the 02 plates were superb, closely followed by the 52 plates - youtu.be/lU_ZmzAxU0A?Surprising that the ETB B7TLs were 250bhp, given that TfL were the ones who insisted that operators always chose the lower-powered option. I can't remember when that rule came in - I guess not long after the 2002 VWLs were ordered. Pretty sure the rule was in place by 2004 so I guess the 04-reg ones would have been 215bhp? Makes me wonder whether Travel London's Volvos (9001-73) would have had uprated engines had the rule not been in place. This is on presumption that it's the same engineering team carried over from Connex, who ordered uprated engines with their ALX400 Tridents
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Post by M1104 on May 10, 2024 10:02:57 GMT
The VWLs had 5 speed ZF transmissions, something none of the WVLs had. The VWLs had the same engines but were programmed to run at 250bhp, vs 215bhp for the WVLs. The VWLs were good buses - they appeared on the 185 in the evenings are were much more lively in their performance than the VPs they ran alongside. I don’t know anything about the 04 plate WVLs but the 02 plates were superb, closely followed by the 52 plates - youtu.be/lU_ZmzAxU0A?So what did the native B7TL's from Go - Ahead have for gearboxes. I thought the earlier ones were 5 speed ZF as well with the last ones being 6 speed. I think it was more than ECU mapping the difference between the 215 and 250 bhp examples. I have the literature somewhere from years ago from Volvo. It is strange that TfL had purchase the higher powered buses for East Thames Buses as by then there was a ban on the higher powered engines unless dispensation was given. This was from 2001 Subject to any corrections London Central orders were mainly five speed ZF, their 06 reg WVLs being six speeders and their 53 reg PVLs on four speed Voith. London General had three speed Voith with their four speed variants introduced during 53 reg (WVL133 a three speeder with WVL134 upwards being four speeders). The difference in bhp is indeed down to the ECU. All of Connex's Tridents had uprated specs, even their newest ones up to 52 plate ¹ - PVL356 to PVL370
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Post by allentc on May 10, 2024 10:38:18 GMT
Hi everyone, just wondered what the difference was between the go ahead vwl and wvl classes of geminis. thanks very much! The VWLs had the same engines but were programmed to run at 250bhp, vs 215bhp for the WVLs. Also at some point weren't some PVLs upgraded to 250bhp during their mid-life refresh? Does anyone know if the 54 reg PVLs were 215bhp or 250bhp upon delivery or if not were they upgraded to 250bhp later on.
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Post by kwik on May 10, 2024 10:47:52 GMT
The 197 had 3 sets of temporary lights at major points combined with a rail/tram strike. Generally it runs well when there are no issues. Utility companies seem to pull the strings with their sudden unannounced works. So it’s nothing to do with it being run from PM. I am surprised by the claim that the Croydon end is busier. The only lonely and busy Croydon stretch is on Moorland road. It can be very busy between Peckham and Forest Hill
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 10, 2024 11:10:31 GMT
Your fictitious lies about the 173, when I have seen Stagecoach do the same and worst put many of them into Chadwell Heath or Becontree Heath and peeing off many of the people of Chadwell Heath Lane which has more people using it than the withering section at Beckton. even worse many NHS staff complain over this who work at King George Hospital The bit of the 173 that traverses one of the busiest roads in the country is the withering section, and the crowds that get on at Beckton can easily be ignored? It's not lies because it has literally happened to me multiple times. Whether you are happy to admit it or not, Stagecoach has been a remarkable improvement to the route and I know multiple users myself who would agree the same. The 173 WAS poo until the final schedule change under Arriva which they were fighting for years to get an extra bus, then there were hardly much turns or reduced service unless something drastic happened. The running time was unrealistic and whilst you see Beckton as the prime part of the route it is NOT. The northern section and also the Heathway part is very busy compared to the Beckton stretch The curtailment point at Newham showcase also reduced the Ripple Road curtailments. The route was a success finally. The only downside on the renewal was the price which the company were not prepared to accept, then HENCE it went to Stagecoach.
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