18ARustee
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Post by 18ARustee on Aug 27, 2024 11:32:56 GMT
TfL wrote back to me saying they are investigating the sometimes chronic overcrowding of the 112. In the interim maybe they could look at having DXE's on the route like the H37. Hopefully they realise it needs Double decking, and maybe rerouting back via Ealing Common to facilitate the change.
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 27, 2024 11:37:47 GMT
TfL wrote back to me saying they are investigating the sometimes chronic overcrowding of the 112. In the interim maybe they could look at having DXE's on the route like the H37. Hopefully they realise it needs Double decking, and maybe rerouting back via Ealing Common to facilitate the change. TfL proposing the Superloop 2 between Ealing and Hendon should be the long-term solution when it comes to crowd reliving. Hopefully this scheme gets implemented sooner than later.
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Post by TB123 on Aug 27, 2024 11:49:00 GMT
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 27, 2024 20:44:50 GMT
That part does seem to read like Sullivan operated commercially though (I don't see how Sullivans can be an "uncomfortable reminder that the economics of suburban routes remain fraught" -- yes perhaps, but that wasn't the killer there!)! Which is a shame because the increasing problems with tendering in London could've been brought up yet been presented in a way in which it would remain comprehensible to a wider audience (though financial penalties were indeed brought up).
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 29, 2024 8:37:17 GMT
Sitting on a DB300 on the 158 and I feel as though those engines are more closely aligned to the Metrobus rather than the DB250. I can see some resemblance on the DB250 but it's more evident on the 300s
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Post by vjaska on Aug 29, 2024 11:46:11 GMT
Sitting on a DB300 on the 158 and I feel as though those engines are more closely aligned to the Metrobus rather than the DB250. I can see some resemblance on the DB250 but it's more evident on the 300s That will be due to the gearboxes on both vehicles being Voith. The actual engines on each sound completely different even taking into account some Metrobuses had Cummins engines just like the DB300 does - most Metrobuses were Gardener engined which are quite distinctive in sound. If you compare ZF box Volvo engined Volvo Olympians with Euro II ZF box Tridents and Voith box Volvo engined Volvo Olympians with Euro II Voith box Tridents, you’ll find a rather similar sound despite the two vehicles having completely different engines (Tridents have Cummins engines). The biggest difference between the two was the iconic Volvo whine on the Volvo Olympian, quite distinctive when moving up the gears.
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 29, 2024 13:38:30 GMT
Sitting on a DB300 on the 158 and I feel as though those engines are more closely aligned to the Metrobus rather than the DB250. I can see some resemblance on the DB250 but it's more evident on the 300s That will be due to the gearboxes on both vehicles being Voith. The actual engines on each sound completely different even taking into account some Metrobuses had Cummins engines just like the DB300 does - most Metrobuses were Gardener engined which are quite distinctive in sound. If you compare ZF box Volvo engined Volvo Olympians with Euro II ZF box Tridents and Voith box Volvo engined Volvo Olympians with Euro II Voith box Tridents, you’ll find a rather similar sound despite the two vehicles having completely different engines (Tridents have Cummins engines). The biggest difference between the two was the iconic Volvo whine on the Volvo Olympian, quite distinctive when moving up the gears. Oh for sure. I did prefer Gardener over Cummins out of the Metrobuses.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 29, 2024 14:06:46 GMT
Sitting on a DB300 on the 158 and I feel as though those engines are more closely aligned to the Metrobus rather than the DB250. I can see some resemblance on the DB250 but it's more evident on the 300s I actually found the DB250s more aligned to the Metros but more for their whining axles and most of them being three speeders. Also, the earlier euro² DLAs in particular had similar general performance to the Metros whereas the euro³ variants were closer to supped up Cummin unit M1104 and Gardner engined M205, the latter having such a supped up turbo for a trial period only
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2024 14:26:22 GMT
Load of BS as usual by this barmy council. This would result in more u-turns in the road and traffic on other roads. THis would increase traffic on Morning Lane and Graham Rd for anyone going to Clapton from Hackney. It is bad enough the idiots closed off the Narrow Way part of Mare St trying to create a Broadway Market part 2, but this scheme is pure BS.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2024 14:28:06 GMT
Whether you're a national or a local administration you have to cater for the people who voted you in. Both Labour and Conservative voters have expressed displeasure at the ridiculous way motorists are being treated and private transport is a major concern for many people. You're rapidly going to just strengthen the pro-motorist vote if you start increasing bus priority at the detriment of other traffic. Really what could have been a morning peak only bus lane along Woodford Avenue was foolishly implemented as a 24/7 bus route, there was then an uprising and now the entire bus lane is at threat of being removed completely. Cycle lanes are a huge epidemic, London is not Holland and London is a city that relies on private transport and motorists. CS2 has not reduced traffic, it simply displaced traffic so even more people are affected by it. Yes private transport is a concern for many. Unfortunatley, it isn't the same concern for all. Until someone gets a grip on car use, especially in our cities and towns, we are just going to keep muddling along and we will never get out of the mess. Until someone gets a grip on this nonsense about 20 zones, and anti car agenda we would further be getting the city into a poo storm.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 29, 2024 14:30:23 GMT
Sitting on a DB300 on the 158 and I feel as though those engines are more closely aligned to the Metrobus rather than the DB250. I can see some resemblance on the DB250 but it's more evident on the 300s I actually found the DB250s more aligned to the Metros but more for their whining axles and most of them being three speeders. Also, the earlier euro² DLAs in particular had similar general performance to the Metros whereas the euro³.variants were closer to supped up Cummin unit M1104 and Gardner engined M205, the latter having such a supped up turbo for a trial period only I found the same which makes perfect sense given the DB250 chassis was first used on the Optare Spectra, a bus which was a joint effort between Optare & DAF and based off the MCW Metrobus design.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2024 14:31:48 GMT
However the ratio is what is the bigger concern? I'm a bus enthusiast and I'm probably quite firmly in the camp of private transport at the moment as that's rapidly becoming my transport mode of choice where possible. Really road transport needs to be improved alongside public transport. Dubai is a very good example of how this can and should be done, an extremely expansive road network but a very popular metro system as still managed to poach road travellers. This has been done while road infrastructure has remained at a good standard and free parking is constantly provided. Dubai also still suffers from bad traffic and congestion despite (or perhaps, because) of the good old 'one more lane should do it' mentality. But yes, at least there's some limited public transport now to get you away from that if ever you are in a rush (I say limited because it's one of those cities with shiny new metros but pretty terrible first mile and last mile which makes public transport use... difficult shall we say... same story in Kuala Lumpur where frankly, tough luck if you don't live next to a station).
Question is though in London, how do you improve road transport? Where is there land (let alone money -- if we were to go tunneling where necessary?) Wouldn't that money be better spent on public transport? For bus priority, the issue is there's a tipping point as you've got limited space: a bit of bus priority, you annoy car drivers but there's insufficient carrot (aka improvement in bus speeds) to attract people onto buses -- you need to get the carrot to be sufficiently tasty, but that would involve an incredible annoyance to motorists until you reach the critical point where buses become more attractive than driving. In my medium-ish town in Southern France (along with many cities in France), they weren't afraid to go with the sledgehammer approach when building tram lines with dedicated lanes on pretty much 99% of the alignment but which leads to incredibly competitive public transport (and a very successful town centre which now can compete with the out-of-town shopping malls) partly because it's now a bit more pleasant to walk around. It's now faster to get into town via public transport than driving (with the additional advantage of not dealing with parking). Very difficult to find this in the UK... even in outer London.
There's also the issue now as pointed out earlier of loading/deliveries etc... have a gander around Central London and there aren't actually that many cars around for personal use... lots of delivery vehicles, Ubers and taxis... how you solve that traffic is a big question mark. The former requires a rethink of our expectation for (express) door to door delivery but we're not ready to entertain that yet. Ubers and private hire is a whole can of worms and taxis are untouchable.
Over the years, bus priority has given way to cyclists and urban bull poo realm arty farty nonsense projects.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2024 14:34:39 GMT
Correction, in this 'Labour Party' news outlet
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 29, 2024 15:03:48 GMT
Sitting on a DB300 on the 158 and I feel as though those engines are more closely aligned to the Metrobus rather than the DB250. I can see some resemblance on the DB250 but it's more evident on the 300s That will be due to the gearboxes on both vehicles being Voith. The actual engines on each sound completely different even taking into account some Metrobuses had Cummins engines just like the DB300 does - most Metrobuses were Gardener engined which are quite distinctive in sound. If you compare ZF box Volvo engined Volvo Olympians with Euro II ZF box Tridents and Voith box Volvo engined Volvo Olympians with Euro II Voith box Tridents, you’ll find a rather similar sound despite the two vehicles having completely different engines (Tridents have Cummins engines). The biggest difference between the two was the iconic Volvo whine on the Volvo Olympian, quite distinctive when moving up the gears. The Voith boxed Volvo Ailsa (V1 - A101SUU) sounds great when thrashed, it's a TfL preserved bus, and had the engine at the front. The DB300 does sound great when thrashed as well - sometimes this happens on the 123. I need to take a DW ride on the 217 one day as it's a fast route. Occasionally they appear amongst the T's and HV's. I remember Metrobuses when I went to school in west London, the ones on the 207 used to clunk when going into 3rd gear after holding onto 2nd for ages. They do have some interesting characteristics. The new ADL E400 electrics feature Voith drive, and the Volvo BZLs have a 2 speed box but not sure if it's Voith or not
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 29, 2024 16:14:15 GMT
Sitting on a DB300 on the 158 and I feel as though those engines are more closely aligned to the Metrobus rather than the DB250. I can see some resemblance on the DB250 but it's more evident on the 300s I actually found the DB250s more aligned to the Metros but more for their whining axles and most of them being three speeders. Also, the earlier euro² DLAs in particular had similar general performance to the Metros whereas the euro³ variants were closer to supped up Cummin unit M1104 and Gardner engined M205, the latter having such a supped up turbo for a trial period only It's a shame they don't make them as they used to anymore.
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