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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2024 20:22:34 GMT
Just got off the tube at Putney Bridge Station to discover that the first two stops on the 378 are shut and because it doesn't stop in the tube station forecourt you can't get on until Ruvigny Gardens more than half a mile away. Overheard people complaining to a driver of a 265, which does start from outside the station, about how far that was for some people. The 265 is also missing out the same two stops. It's particularly odd as one of the closed stops, Putney Pier, is often used for crew changes and even better there are no roadworks currently going on by the affected stops. The website of course says there are no issues on the 378. Speaking of closed stops in Putney, the 220 and 270 stop on the bridge was marked as shut today, observed at 7am then later at 11, despite having zero obstructions. A lady stuck her hand out for a 270 and the driver ignored her and drove past Continuing the theme of closed stops, albeit not in Putney - is it me or are TfL being far too cautious when it comes to bus stop closures near works. I spotted both Cambridge Gardens stops on the A10 were closed despite not interfering with the road works in any way and this isn’t the first instance of this I’ve seen either across London.
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 21, 2024 1:45:20 GMT
Speaking of closed stops in Putney, the 220 and 270 stop on the bridge was marked as shut today, observed at 7am then later at 11, despite having zero obstructions. A lady stuck her hand out for a 270 and the driver ignored her and drove past Continuing the theme of closed stops, albeit not in Putney - is it me or are TfL being far too cautious when it comes to bus stop closures near works. I spotted both Cambridge Gardens stops on the A10 were closed despite not interfering with the road works in any way and this isn’t the first instance of this I’ve seen either across London. Roadworks really have become overly safety conscious. I’ve seen temporary lights installed for pavement works in recent months which is beyond ridiculous. I understand the need for them when workers are there but when they’ve picked up they could just push them aside and let traffic flow normally.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 21, 2024 7:08:45 GMT
Just got off the tube at Putney Bridge Station to discover that the first two stops on the 378 are shut and because it doesn't stop in the tube station forecourt you can't get on until Ruvigny Gardens more than half a mile away. Overheard people complaining to a driver of a 265, which does start from outside the station, about how far that was for some people. The 265 is also missing out the same two stops. It's particularly odd as one of the closed stops, Putney Pier, is often used for crew changes and even better there are no roadworks currently going on by the affected stops. The website of course says there are no issues on the 378. Speaking of closed stops in Putney, the 220 and 270 stop on the bridge was marked as shut today, observed at 7am then later at 11, despite having zero obstructions. A lady stuck her hand out for a 270 and the driver ignored her and drove past I've seen that situation many times before, bus stops needlessly closed off with no work going and passengers waiting, some drivers will stop and some won't. Another thing is roads being closed completely and buses having to take long winded diversions, such as the current situation on the 54, whilst other traffic uses much shorter diversion routes.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 21, 2024 7:25:32 GMT
Speaking of closed stops in Putney, the 220 and 270 stop on the bridge was marked as shut today, observed at 7am then later at 11, despite having zero obstructions. A lady stuck her hand out for a 270 and the driver ignored her and drove past I've seen that situation many times before, bus stops needlessly closed off with no work going and passengers waiting, some drivers will stop and some won't. Another thing is roads being closed completely and buses having to take long winded diversions, such as the current situation on the 54, whilst other traffic uses much shorter diversion routes. The 54 has no choice in this case. TFL also prefer not to use Southend Lane & Worsley Bridge Road to divert double deckers. The above is the fastest route to Beckenham Hill Road.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 21, 2024 7:29:32 GMT
I've seen that situation many times before, bus stops needlessly closed off with no work going and passengers waiting, some drivers will stop and some won't. Another thing is roads being closed completely and buses having to take long winded diversions, such as the current situation on the 54, whilst other traffic uses much shorter diversion routes. The 54 has no choice in this case. TFL also prefer not to use Southend Lane & Worsley Bridge Road to divert double deckers. The above is the fastest route to Beckenham Hill Road. Double deckers on rail replacement services go that way seemingly without any problems but it seems TfL are reluctant to divert via any roads that aren't regularly served by buses.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 21, 2024 7:39:34 GMT
The 54 has no choice in this case. TFL also prefer not to use Southend Lane & Worsley Bridge Road to divert double deckers. The above is the fastest route to Beckenham Hill Road. Double deckers on rail replacement services go that way seemingly without any problems but it seems TfL are reluctant to divert via any roads that aren't regularly served by buses. I have noticed this more recently. When the 450 was at N Westwood Hill was closed for a few days. The first diversion to Lower Sydenham was Crystal Palace Park Road and then Sydenham Avenue it was changed on the same day to go via the 202 Route. The one heading to West Croydon remained the same with a minor difference which was using Lawrie Park Road and then Crystal Palace Park Road.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 21, 2024 7:44:16 GMT
Continuing the theme of closed stops, albeit not in Putney - is it me or are TfL being far too cautious when it comes to bus stop closures near works. I spotted both Cambridge Gardens stops on the A10 were closed despite not interfering with the road works in any way and this isn’t the first instance of this I’ve seen either across London. Roadworks really have become overly safety conscious. I’ve seen temporary lights installed for pavement works in recent months which is beyond ridiculous. I understand the need for them when workers are there but when they’ve picked up they could just push them aside and let traffic flow normally. Agree with this. There have been some temporary lights on Church Road in Crystal Palace for about a month now for a side street and the main road is clear yet 3 way lights are needed. It’s getting beyond ridiculous.
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Post by abellion on Aug 21, 2024 8:20:01 GMT
Speaking of closed stops in Putney, the 220 and 270 stop on the bridge was marked as shut today, observed at 7am then later at 11, despite having zero obstructions. A lady stuck her hand out for a 270 and the driver ignored her and drove past I've seen that situation many times before, bus stops needlessly closed off with no work going and passengers waiting, some drivers will stop and some won't. Another thing is roads being closed completely and buses having to take long winded diversions, such as the current situation on the 54, whilst other traffic uses much shorter diversion routes. Something like this happened to me on the 187. The bus diverted from Doyle Gardens to Harlesden via Souls Avenue, Chamberlayne Road (Kensal Rise Station), Kilburn Road and Harrow Road - it was towards Park Royal so the bus basically served Kensal Rise Station, served 4 stops on LOR and then did a loop back to Kensal Rise serving it on both sides of the road, and I was confused as to why the bus didn't just serve the entirety of All Souls Avenue which connects directly to Harrow Road and was unobstructed
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 21, 2024 11:50:41 GMT
Just got off the tube at Putney Bridge Station to discover that the first two stops on the 378 are shut and because it doesn't stop in the tube station forecourt you can't get on until Ruvigny Gardens more than half a mile away. Overheard people complaining to a driver of a 265, which does start from outside the station, about how far that was for some people. The 265 is also missing out the same two stops. It's particularly odd as one of the closed stops, Putney Pier, is often used for crew changes and even better there are no roadworks currently going on by the affected stops. The website of course says there are no issues on the 378. Absolutely ridiculous but 'every journey matters' or so we're told. If TfL can't get something as basic as buses picking up passengers right then I really do despair! There seems to be very little thought in looking at individual bus stop closures in the (grander) scheme of things. There are some rare exceptions (the 24 stopping at Neathouse Place because Stop U at Victoria is unavailable for instance)... but that likely took some lobbying by somebody (local councillor perhaps?) because the first few days it wasn't official, and adding to that the preceding stop (Westminster Cathedral) was also closed -- which meant no stops between Westminster City Hall and Belgrave Road because of the existing diversion! Thankfully some drivers had the kindness to stop regardless at Westminster Cathedral (one of those closures to improve traffic flow by roadworks rather than actually blocked by them).
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Post by rm1422 on Aug 22, 2024 13:19:11 GMT
Speaking of closed stops in Putney, the 220 and 270 stop on the bridge was marked as shut today, observed at 7am then later at 11, despite having zero obstructions. A lady stuck her hand out for a 270 and the driver ignored her and drove past I've seen that situation many times before, bus stops needlessly closed off with no work going and passengers waiting, some drivers will stop and some won't. Another thing is roads being closed completely and buses having to take long winded diversions, such as the current situation on the 54, whilst other traffic uses much shorter diversion routes. I was in Roehampton this morning and the Tolworth bound Roehampton Lane / Danebury Avenue stop is closed with no roadworks in progress. This is the stop 265 buses serve twice, once before lopping round the Alton East Estate and then a second time afterwards. Amazingly the buses are sticking to the usual route and going past the stop twice even though they could pass it just the once as the second visit involves a complicated U-turn round the Roehampton Earl Spencer horse trough.
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Post by ronnie on Aug 22, 2024 14:53:42 GMT
This year I have kept a careful track of each and every journey I take via bus
Did my 100th trip on the 132 today. Getting close to 50 on the 335 as well
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 22, 2024 15:20:48 GMT
Interesting question: how heavy are the London spec electric double deckers? BYDs, Electroliners, Metrodeckers, BZLs etc
Just saw on the side of a Norwich Electroliner that the weight of them is only 13,450kg.
Thought electric double deckers were more like 18,000kg. Surely London spec buses haven’t got 5 tons of extra kit on them?
Or are Electroliners just quite a bit lighter in general? Could have sworn BYD DDs were 18k+
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 22, 2024 15:32:17 GMT
Interesting question: how heavy are the London spec electric double deckers? BYDs, Electroliners, Metrodeckers, BZLs etc Just saw on the side of a Norwich Electroliner that the weight of them is only 13,450kg. Thought electric double deckers were more like 18,000kg. Surely London spec buses haven’t got 5 tons of extra kit on them? Or are Electroliners just quite a bit lighter in general? Could have sworn BYD DDs were 18k+ 13450kg is the unladen weight. 18k, 19k in some cases, is the maximum weight a vehicle can weigh in total including passengers, shopping etc. If an Electric bus weighed 18k, no passengers, or a driver would legally be allowed on it. So in the Norwich example, passengers, driver, and their belongings can legally weigh no more than 4550kg. Edit having checked on the DVLA website, the revenue weight for a Streetdeck Electroliner is 19500kg ... must have increased again fairly recently. Seems this increase is only applicable to buses.
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 22, 2024 17:30:19 GMT
I've seen that situation many times before, bus stops needlessly closed off with no work going and passengers waiting, some drivers will stop and some won't. Another thing is roads being closed completely and buses having to take long winded diversions, such as the current situation on the 54, whilst other traffic uses much shorter diversion routes. I was in Roehampton this morning and the Tolworth bound Roehampton Lane / Danebury Avenue stop is closed with no roadworks in progress. This is the stop 265 buses serve twice, once before lopping round the Alton East Estate and then a second time afterwards. Amazingly the buses are sticking to the usual route and going past the stop twice even though they could pass it just the once as the second visit involves a complicated U-turn round the Roehampton Earl Spencer horse trough. That stop arrangement for 265 is absurd and it is even more absurd to go by it twice when it is closed.
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Post by COBO on Aug 25, 2024 15:50:20 GMT
I would love for their to be a bus route to run the full length of Greenford Road then that way If Oldfield Lane North or the A40 slip road is shut and buses are diverted then buses can serve the bus stops on Greenford Road because right now whenever Oldfield Lane North or the A40 slip road is closed and bus routes are diverted TfL don’t put out temporary bus stops or dolly stops and so buses don’t stop on Greenford Road because there no safe places to put any so if there was already existing bus stops then buses can stop on Greenford Road. The funny thing is that TfL states at bottom of the yellow notices that they put on stops that buses can serve bus stops on the diversion route but the funny thing is they can’t because there are no bus stops 😂
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