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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 1, 2024 15:04:22 GMT
Doesn’t feel like the 9 is coping… every one I’ve seen people are being left behind and they’re packed to the rafters. Of course anecdotal data and all that.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 1, 2024 15:31:47 GMT
Doesn’t feel like the 9 is coping… every one I’ve seen people are being left behind and they’re packed to the rafters. Of course anecdotal data and all that. The District Line is suspended between Embankment and South Kensington and the Circle Lines suspended completely at the moment.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2024 7:02:45 GMT
Concerns about Victoria bus station.... Three weeks after the death of Kathleen Finnegan, who was hit by a bus at Victoria bus station in January, Transport for London (TfL) had still not contacted her family. Many people had been in touch offering their condolences, but there had been nothing from the transport authority. The family had many questions about what happened and had to enlist the help of Kathleen’s local MP, Sir Ed Davey. Only after his intervention did TfL start to engage with the family, setting up a meeting in May. Rosie Trew, TfL's head of bus service delivery, said in a statement that "safety is our utmost priority and we are committed to learning from every collision". www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y56m32n35o
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Post by darz on Sept 2, 2024 9:06:47 GMT
Doesn’t feel like the 9 is coping… every one I’ve seen people are being left behind and they’re packed to the rafters. Of course anecdotal data and all that. Nah I got on the 9 last Friday evening and I thought the same thing.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Sept 2, 2024 9:51:39 GMT
Doesn’t feel like the 9 is coping… every one I’ve seen people are being left behind and they’re packed to the rafters. Of course anecdotal data and all that. Nah I got on the 9 last Friday evening and I thought the same thing. It's one of the Central London touristy routes which has the misfortune of really uneven demand. Not too sure what would be easiest, a summer and winter timetable? Enhance weekends all year round? Some other routes could also benefit from a different timetable based on tourist patterns.
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 2, 2024 10:00:19 GMT
Doesn’t feel like the 9 is coping… every one I’ve seen people are being left behind and they’re packed to the rafters. Of course anecdotal data and all that. Nah I got on the 9 last Friday evening and I thought the same thing. Fair enough the District was suspended, I observed buses at Piccadilly Circus and just east of the RAH. 5bph cutting it fine, I couldn’t get one the 9 at Pic Circus so had to settle for the 23 for Hyde Park
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Post by darz on Sept 2, 2024 10:18:40 GMT
Nah I got on the 9 last Friday evening and I thought the same thing. It's one of the Central London touristy routes which has the misfortune of really uneven demand. Not too sure what would be easiest, a summer and winter timetable? Enhance weekends all year round? Some other routes could also benefit from a different timetable based on tourist patterns. It needs a frequency increase in general, the 15 and 12 too.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Sept 2, 2024 11:53:55 GMT
It's one of the Central London touristy routes which has the misfortune of really uneven demand. Not too sure what would be easiest, a summer and winter timetable? Enhance weekends all year round? Some other routes could also benefit from a different timetable based on tourist patterns. It needs a frequency increase in general, the 15 and 12 too. Been banging on this for a while but you can add the 24 too.
General increase would be great but I don't think it'd meet any of the TfL criteria for an increase at the moment. Demand is just very much concentrated based on tourism. You can tell whenever the French schools are on holiday, or the Spanish schools are on holiday for instance when riding the 24 for instance. Meanwhile other periods are relatively quiet. One departure might be extra busy because a large family has taken up a dozen seats upstairs whilst the next is emptier. One weekend much busier than the next because X country has school holidays or X country has an extended weekend. It's just much harder than relatively consistent commuting patterns.
Every 7.5-8 would be nice from midday onwards to the early evening and easier with the current tendering system. But honestly if buses come in-house with the added fleet and driver flexibility that might bring, a more curated timetable would be better. Summer (broad definition from May to Sep/Oct) could have an enhanced service, so could the lead up to Christmas (as well as other peak European -- tends to be European tourists which have very concentrated peaks from my daily commutes). TfL should in theory have passenger data from previous years and be able to match this up with school holiday dates abroad and see when extra resources should be put into place with pinpoint precision. It just, unfortunately, doesn't make much sense to do that now with the rigid tendering system and probably easier to do nothing as 'on average' (or considering several routes as a 'corridor') there always is in theory no capacity issues...
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 2, 2024 15:08:17 GMT
According to LBR the 18 received a PVR increase to 39 from Saturday in a timetable change. And LVF certainly seems to corroborate with this at the moment, even though it’s official PVR still hasn’t been updated in the LBR route list.
The 18 now reclaims the title of London’s largest PVR route from the 38. But this is still one short of the largest PVR bus route in the country: Stagecoach Manchester’s monstrous 192 route
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 2, 2024 15:50:58 GMT
According to LBR the 18 received a PVR increase to 39 from Saturday in a timetable change. And LVF certainly seems to corroborate with this at the moment, even though it’s official PVR still hasn’t been updated in the LBR route list. The 18 now reclaims the title of London’s largest PVR route from the 38. But this is still one short of the largest PVR bus route in the country: Stagecoach Manchester’s monstrous 192 route The 18 should now need at least 4 more hybrids to cover this increase. RP do have some surplus E400s to cover (indirectly) for now, but will be interesting to see what the permanent allocation will be for the 18's new contract. Also noticed that LBR mentions the 310 being contractually allocated E200Darts from the 314/W14. So it seems the ex-165 MMCs may be temporary, and the 165's DD conversion might not be permanent either. But hopefully the 11reg E400s will at least demonstrate how busy the 165 can get, so TFL can award the new contract with DDs.
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Post by yunus on Sept 2, 2024 19:19:02 GMT
This will be the new revised routes, please correct if I am wrong:
W12 Walthamstow, Coppermill Lane - Woodford Bridge (avoiding the Village section).
W13 Leyton Mills - Woodford Wells.
W14 Whipps X Hospital - Loughton. The Wanstead section will be axed?
Bit funny that there will be two routes from Woodford Bridge to Walthamstow Central then two routes from Loughton to Whipps X.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 2, 2024 19:23:20 GMT
This will be the new revised routes, please correct if I am wrong: W12 Walthamstow, Coppermill Lane - Woodford Bridge (avoiding the Village section). W13 Leyton Mills - Woodford Wells. W14 Whipps X Hospital - Loughton. The Wanstead section will be axed? All info below : haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/bus-routes-wW12 Contract retained by Stagecoach London with 14 new electric single deckers. (7 years) Existing section between Wanstead and Whipps Cross discontinued and revised to operate from Woodford Bridge via current route W14 to Leytonstone, current route W19 to Whipps Cross Hospital and then on to Coppermill Lane. Also re-routed away from Walthamstow Village area to operate via Shernhall Street, Prospect Hill, Church Hill and Hoe Street. W13 Contract retained by Stagecoach London with 8 new electric single deckers and 1 new electric double deck. (7 years) Allocation transferred to Lea Interchange garage. Extended from Leytonstone to Leyton Asda via current route W14. W14 Existing route discontinued (See routes W12 and W13 for replacement service). New number for route 549, extended from South Woodford via current route W12 to Wanstead (Nightingale Lane), High Street (north), Hollybush Hill, Snaresbrook Road and Lea Bridge Road to Whipps Cross Bus Station. Contract retained by Stagecoach London with 2 new electric single deckers. (7 years)
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Post by tts on Sept 2, 2024 23:17:39 GMT
SL9 could really do with a PVR increase, especially on Sundays. Every bus from Harrow is at a minimum 80% full and it stays like that to around Hayes area.
Could make the route every 10 minutes because 5 buses per hour isn't adequate. Seems far more popular than the SL10 though!
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Post by 18ARustee on Sept 3, 2024 18:18:30 GMT
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 3, 2024 21:02:57 GMT
Random few questions & rambling thoughts ?
I have been reading up on The excellent London Bus Routes histories website about the 13 and 82 from the 80s (The 14/414 thing made me look into it as it is a similar situation , basically one overlapping route that splits at one end of the route) and saw that at one point the 13 had two operators , BTS (Borehamwood Travel Services) who I believe became Sovereign (Who had the 13 operated entirely with refurbed Dartmasters from about 2000 , used to get amazing thrashes out of those along Finchley road compared to the old RMs on all the other RM routes ), but BTS used to operate it Mon-Sat except evenings and Metroline used to operate it at other times and the N13 ? So just wondered if anyone had any insight on why ? Seems strange and not cost effective to have two separate operators on one route , I imagine BTS didn't have enough OPO buses to cover the evenings and Sundays but then why award to them ? LT couldn't of always been about who puts in the lowest bid when this was the case, I also remember that the 38 used to be operated by East London on Sundays with a extension to Leyton Green and the N38 also aswell ?
But brings me to my second question why didn't RM's operate on Sundays not until the Early 2000s anyway ?
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