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Post by busaholic on Mar 30, 2018 20:56:00 GMT
Robert Munster reports on his London Bus Routes website that the last three journeys from Euston on the 68 have been withdrawn with effect from today's timetable changes under Abellio's new stewardship of the route, resulting in a large gap in service between Kingsway and Norwood before the first N68 kicks in. Looking at the previous timetable, this suggests an up to 45 minute gap against about 12 minutes at present, on weekdays at least. Is this because of TfL's 'all or nothing' approach? That is to say, up to yesterday buses ran at 12 minute intervals in the evenings up to and including last bus. Why not continue to run one of these three withdrawn journeys IN SERVICE (they must presumably still have to return to their garage) with a 24 minute gap, say, then another 20 minute or so gap before the first N68? I know this goes against the 'tidy mindset' of the bureaucrat but might actually be useful to people on the ground, particularly those working in hotels in the Russell Square area.
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 30, 2018 20:59:01 GMT
How to transport a Routemaster bus across a Polish river.Unfortunately last time I was in Sulejów,the ferry was replaced with a bridge.If anyone is looking for a short stay in Poland,make sure to consider Sulejów which is not far from Piotrków Trybunalski😉 youtu.be/7mb8A7HmIGg
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Post by busaholic on Mar 30, 2018 22:19:27 GMT
How to transport a Routemaster bus across a Polish river.Unfortunately last time I was in Sulejów,the ferry was replaced with a bridge.If anyone is looking for a short stay in Poland,make sure to consider Sulejów which is not far from Piotrków Trybunalski😉 youtu.be/7mb8A7HmIGgI thought I'd had a pretty long ride in a 2B once from North Finchley to Crystal Palace: wish I'd done the full route to Krakow!
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Post by PaulH on Mar 30, 2018 22:23:01 GMT
Robert Munster reports on his London Bus Routes website that the last three journeys from Euston on the 68 have been withdrawn with effect from today's timetable changes under Abellio's new stewardship of the route, resulting in a large gap in service between Kingsway and Norwood before the first N68 kicks in. Looking at the previous timetable, this suggests an up to 45 minute gap against about 12 minutes at present, on weekdays at least. Is this because of TfL's 'all or nothing' approach? That is to say, up to yesterday buses ran at 12 minute intervals in the evenings up to and including last bus. Why not continue to run one of these three withdrawn journeys IN SERVICE (they must presumably still have to return to their garage) with a 24 minute gap, say, then another 20 minute or so gap before the first N68? I know this goes against the 'tidy mindset' of the bureaucrat but might actually be useful to people on the ground, particularly those working in hotels in the Russell Square area. The 'large' gap is actually only 18 minutes. The last 68 now leaves Euston at 0005 and arrives at Kingsway at 0011, the first N68 arrives Kingsway at 0028 or 0029, depending on the day of the week. I presume the three withdrawn 68 journeys overlapped the start of the N68 which is now deemed to be superfluous to requirements.
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Post by redexpress on Mar 30, 2018 23:41:41 GMT
Robert Munster reports on his London Bus Routes website that the last three journeys from Euston on the 68 have been withdrawn with effect from today's timetable changes under Abellio's new stewardship of the route, resulting in a large gap in service between Kingsway and Norwood before the first N68 kicks in. Looking at the previous timetable, this suggests an up to 45 minute gap against about 12 minutes at present, on weekdays at least. Is this because of TfL's 'all or nothing' approach? That is to say, up to yesterday buses ran at 12 minute intervals in the evenings up to and including last bus. Why not continue to run one of these three withdrawn journeys IN SERVICE (they must presumably still have to return to their garage) with a 24 minute gap, say, then another 20 minute or so gap before the first N68? I know this goes against the 'tidy mindset' of the bureaucrat but might actually be useful to people on the ground, particularly those working in hotels in the Russell Square area. The 'large' gap is actually only 18 minutes. The last 68 now leaves Euston at 0005 and arrives at Kingsway at 0011, the first N68 arrives Kingsway at 0028 or 0029, depending on the day of the week. I presume the three withdrawn 68 journeys overlapped the start of the N68 which is now deemed to be superfluous to requirements. Actually it seems to be a typo on Robert's site. It's the last three journeys to Euston that are being withdrawn. There will now be a gap of well over an hour between the last northbound 68 (2345 from West Norwood) and the first northbound N68 (0104/0106 through West Norwood). Previously the last northbound 68 was at 0037 from West Norwood. While the 468 will still be providing a service over most of the route during this gap, and HOPPER FARE HOPPER FARE etc., it's still pretty shoddy. People are used to the idea of the 68 and N68 combining to provide a 24-hour service - a 79-minute gap in this service is not very helpful.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 31, 2018 0:11:23 GMT
Actually it seems to be a typo on Robert's site. It's the last three journeys to Euston that are being withdrawn. There will now be a gap of well over an hour between the last northbound 68 (2345 from West Norwood) and the first northbound N68 (0104/0106 through West Norwood). Previously the last northbound 68 was at 0037 from West Norwood. While the 468 will still be providing a service over most of the route during this gap, and HOPPER FARE HOPPER FARE etc., it's still pretty shoddy. People are used to the idea of the 68 and N68 combining to provide a 24-hour service - a 79-minute gap in this service is not very helpful. This shoddiness is happening all over the place. We have it in my area where Su-Th we have a 23 hour service heading west towards Tottenham but a 24 hour one towards the Bell Corner. It's either deliberate or someone in TfL is simply not paying attention to what is going on. If it is the latter then someone needs a monumental kick up the backside for not doing their job properly in ensuring submitted schedules actually comply with the route specification. The other hidden impact is when daytime frequencies reduce. What is NOT advertised by TfL is that early morning frequencies are also falling at the same time because of the way TfL traditionally taper frequencies up and down at the peak shoulders. Therefore there is a much greater loss of capacity than is actually being advertised. Given how early the rush hour starts in some parts of London there will be material impacts on people who face more crowded or overcrowded buses and / or longer wait times. Take the change to the 236 this weekend. On M-F the early morning freq was broadly every 10 mins building up to every 8 in the AM peak. From next Tuesday the frequency falls to a bus every 15 mins building up to every 10 in the AM peak. This scale of reduction has happened on just about every single frequency cut to daytime services. Has anyone even noticed or complained? I doubt it but it's very sneaky.
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Post by snowman on Mar 31, 2018 6:36:43 GMT
Loads of new Arriva HVs on 468 including 2 18-reg following route takeover (appears HV380 is only one yet to enter service),
Lots of LT16xx on 68 (some with temporary codes)
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Post by sid on Mar 31, 2018 19:49:30 GMT
The 'large' gap is actually only 18 minutes. The last 68 now leaves Euston at 0005 and arrives at Kingsway at 0011, the first N68 arrives Kingsway at 0028 or 0029, depending on the day of the week. I presume the three withdrawn 68 journeys overlapped the start of the N68 which is now deemed to be superfluous to requirements. Actually it seems to be a typo on Robert's site. It's the last three journeys to Euston that are being withdrawn. There will now be a gap of well over an hour between the last northbound 68 (2345 from West Norwood) and the first northbound N68 (0104/0106 through West Norwood). Previously the last northbound 68 was at 0037 from West Norwood. While the 468 will still be providing a service over most of the route during this gap, and HOPPER FARE HOPPER FARE etc., it's still pretty shoddy. People are used to the idea of the 68 and N68 combining to provide a 24-hour service - a 79-minute gap in this service is not very helpful. This really is very poor indeed, surely there should be a 23.57 68 from West Norwood and a 00.32 N68 starting from West Norwood. I've thought before that it would seem logical to merge the 68 and 468 into one route after about 20.00 running every 10 minutes, obviously more difficult now they are with different operators.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 31, 2018 20:51:44 GMT
Actually it seems to be a typo on Robert's site. It's the last three journeys to Euston that are being withdrawn. There will now be a gap of well over an hour between the last northbound 68 (2345 from West Norwood) and the first northbound N68 (0104/0106 through West Norwood). Previously the last northbound 68 was at 0037 from West Norwood. While the 468 will still be providing a service over most of the route during this gap, and HOPPER FARE HOPPER FARE etc., it's still pretty shoddy. People are used to the idea of the 68 and N68 combining to provide a 24-hour service - a 79-minute gap in this service is not very helpful. This really is very poor indeed, surely there should be a 23.57 68 from West Norwood and a 00.32 N68 starting from West Norwood. TfL hath no mercy for the carnage they cause, and pretty much work on a cause & effect prerogative to reinstate the journeys they've removed once they realised it's backfired. They removed the first 5 journey from Romford in August, causing a 15 minute gap from the last N15 at the terminus but a 23 minute gap when it gets to my local bus stop in Barking. Since then, they had the cheek to say "due to demand we are adding extra early journeys on route EL2" as if anyone can't work out that is because they removed that journey off the 5. What smacks insult to injury is that extra EL2 journey is timed 2 minutes before the 5 departing Becontree Heath, so does nothing to plug the gap in wait times!
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Post by busaholic on Mar 31, 2018 22:14:38 GMT
The 'large' gap is actually only 18 minutes. The last 68 now leaves Euston at 0005 and arrives at Kingsway at 0011, the first N68 arrives Kingsway at 0028 or 0029, depending on the day of the week. I presume the three withdrawn 68 journeys overlapped the start of the N68 which is now deemed to be superfluous to requirements. Actually it seems to be a typo on Robert's site. It's the last three journeys to Euston that are being withdrawn. There will now be a gap of well over an hour between the last northbound 68 (2345 from West Norwood) and the first northbound N68 (0104/0106 through West Norwood). Previously the last northbound 68 was at 0037 from West Norwood. While the 468 will still be providing a service over most of the route during this gap, and HOPPER FARE HOPPER FARE etc., it's still pretty shoddy. People are used to the idea of the 68 and N68 combining to provide a 24-hour service - a 79-minute gap in this service is not very helpful. With reference to another route Robert says 'timetable change in order to reduce reliability'. Many a true word...
I'm sure it is a cock-up by the schedulers, rather than a conspiracy, but your word 'shoddy' befits the situation.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 31, 2018 22:42:53 GMT
TfL hath no mercy for the carnage they cause, and pretty much work on a cause & effect prerogative to reinstate the journeys they've removed once they realised it's backfired. They removed the first 5 journey from Romford in August, causing a 15 minute gap from the last N15 at the terminus but a 23 minute gap when it gets to my local bus stop in Barking. Since then, they had the cheek to say "due to demand we are adding extra early journeys on route EL2" as if anyone can't work out that is because they removed that journey off the 5. What smacks insult to injury is that extra EL2 journey is timed 2 minutes before the 5 departing Becontree Heath, so does nothing to plug the gap in wait times! They also failed to initially spot a non compliance on the revised W12 timetable where there was too wide a gap between buses. The schedule had to be redone. I honestly can't recall quite so many stupid "non compliances" against specification that they've had to correct later. We must now be heading towards 10 U-turns / errors in barely that number of weeks.
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Post by Nathan on Apr 1, 2018 1:12:11 GMT
Me IRL today: *Reads very obvious April Fools posts on forum*
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 1, 2018 8:52:30 GMT
Me IRL today: *Reads very obvious April Fools posts on forum* d*mn it,was just about to start a photoshop,loool😉😁
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Post by grubbysa on Apr 1, 2018 17:09:44 GMT
Actually it seems to be a typo on Robert's site. It's the last three journeys to Euston that are being withdrawn. There will now be a gap of well over an hour between the last northbound 68 (2345 from West Norwood) and the first northbound N68 (0104/0106 through West Norwood). Previously the last northbound 68 was at 0037 from West Norwood. While the 468 will still be providing a service over most of the route during this gap, and HOPPER FARE HOPPER FARE etc., it's still pretty shoddy. People are used to the idea of the 68 and N68 combining to provide a 24-hour service - a 79-minute gap in this service is not very helpful. With reference to another route Robert says 'timetable change in order to reduce reliability'. Many a true word...
I'm sure it is a cock-up by the schedulers, rather than a conspiracy, but your word 'shoddy' befits the situation.
Regarding the 68, I overheard an Abellio driver talking about how the duty cards were filled with typos, with two drivers supposed to take out the same bus at the same time and having the same trip number.
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Post by Green Kitten on Apr 1, 2018 22:03:24 GMT
Actually it seems to be a typo on Robert's site. It's the last three journeys to Euston that are being withdrawn. There will now be a gap of well over an hour between the last northbound 68 (2345 from West Norwood) and the first northbound N68 (0104/0106 through West Norwood). Previously the last northbound 68 was at 0037 from West Norwood. While the 468 will still be providing a service over most of the route during this gap, and HOPPER FARE HOPPER FARE etc., it's still pretty shoddy. People are used to the idea of the 68 and N68 combining to provide a 24-hour service - a 79-minute gap in this service is not very helpful. With reference to another route Robert says 'timetable change in order to reduce reliability'. Many a true word...
I'm sure it is a cock-up by the schedulers, rather than a conspiracy, but your word 'shoddy' befits the situation.
The schedulers only go by the spec London Buses send them.
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