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Post by sid on Sept 8, 2018 6:01:45 GMT
Yes as the G1 has to reverse to access the stand at Battersea. Some routes outside London require reversing as well. In the early days of opo, the only place where the TGWU allowed buses to reverse in service was the Old Lodge Lane stand at Purley on the 234a, because the union were aware that the service would be withdrawn otherwise. Abridge saw crew double deckers for years after you'd expect opo because the terminal required a reversing manoeuvre: i think there was something similar on the 150 at Lambourne End. I can't recall it being necessary to reverse on the Old Lodge Lane stand. |
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Post by rugbyref on Sept 8, 2018 8:44:13 GMT
Also have to reverse onto stand at Orpington Station.
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Post by kmkcheng on Sept 8, 2018 8:58:49 GMT
At Heathrow, buses have to reverse out of the stand.
At Hong Kong airport in the bus station, they commonly parallel park their tri-axle buses into the stand and normally in just one manoeuvre. Not sure I ever seen that happen in London or UK in general
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Post by Paul on Sept 8, 2018 11:43:44 GMT
Yes, there is no restriction on buses reversing. Thanks,Until know,I thought a banksman was needed I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; if we needed a banksman to reverse on the R5/R10 then we’d never get anywhere! Obviously some assistance is ideal but generally the mirrors and cameras are sufficient nowadays that reversing moves are relatively simple |
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Post by met120 on Sept 8, 2018 12:38:58 GMT
LU were just as bad in my opinion. At least with metroline there’s a guarantee your bus will show up. Oh dear, that's not good  maybe they curtailed buses at White Hart as the 282 exists for local passengers? The Metroline equivalent was Norwood Green but not seen that since before the summer holidays. I don't normally go north of Southall Town Centre these days (actually, even reaching there seems rare these days as there is a good chance I'll be using the train  ). I do think I'm probably more critical of Metroline than London United (or Abellio) although over the last year I've also become less tolerant of public transport problems in general. Becoming a grumpy old sod at the age of 23?!   The two times I've taken the bus between 0700-0800 on a Saturday, when it still runs every 20 minutes: 7 July, 0704 from Norwood Green (0650 from Hounslow, running number 6): Bus was about 12 minutes late at Norwood Green after a 5 minute late start from Hounslow, having lost 10-15 minutes on the previous trip  . 18 August, 0744 from Norwood Green (0730 from Hounslow, running number 1): The bus departed Hounslow on time but was already 5 minutes early by my stop. Good job I kept an eye on it, although still would have been game over if no one else was already at the stop, as I wasn't expecting it to be that early! During the day I can live with them departing whenever they want. It is the evenings where it gets annoying, especially now that winter will be coming soon 😓 (that bridge at Southall station is very exposed to the wind, probably just end up going via Hounslow more lol). LU mostly curtailed buses at the end of Lady Margaret Road, Ruislip Road especially in the mornings. Buses were also constantly bunched on one side and huge gaps on the other side. There was one particular day where I was on a TA, the driver told everyone to get off as he had engine trouble and took it out of service. Only for it to appear hours later without any trouble. Metroline ain’t no angels either though and the buses are starting to look run-down. 😅 PA seem to run them intensively. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 15:20:52 GMT
Some woman just got on my 286 at Greenwich Cutty Sark with six dogs.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 8, 2018 16:21:11 GMT
Some woman just got on my 286 at Greenwich Cutty Sark with six dogs. I presume she is the owner or she is a dog walker? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 17:00:36 GMT
Some woman just got on my 286 at Greenwich Cutty Sark with six dogs. I presume she is the owner or she is a dog walker? I'm not sure, she reminded me of Cruella DeVille. She seemed to be giving the driver a hard time about something. She demanded that some passengers moved from the seats at the back of the bus so she could have the row for herself and the dogs because she'd "Had a bad day". |
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Post by busaholic on Sept 8, 2018 20:11:38 GMT
In the early days of opo, the only place where the TGWU allowed buses to reverse in service was the Old Lodge Lane stand at Purley on the 234a, because the union were aware that the service would be withdrawn otherwise. Abridge saw crew double deckers for years after you'd expect opo because the terminal required a reversing manoeuvre: i think there was something similar on the 150 at Lambourne End. I can't recall it being necessary to reverse on the Old Lodge Lane stand. I only know that an interal LT Traffic Report of the period, which I saw, mentioned the necessity to reverse at some stage at the terminus, and that this exception was specifically mentioned as being agreed with the union. I have no personal knowledge of the terminal, Purley being a place I loathe. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 8, 2018 22:32:46 GMT
I presume she is the owner or she is a dog walker? I'm not sure, she reminded me of Cruella DeVille. She seemed to be giving the driver a hard time about something. She demanded that some passengers moved from the seats at the back of the bus so she could have the row for herself and the dogs because she'd "Had a bad day". Ohh, a self entitled person or they think they are - can’t stand people like that. |
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Post by redbus on Sept 8, 2018 22:40:01 GMT
I'm not sure, she reminded me of Cruella DeVille. She seemed to be giving the driver a hard time about something. She demanded that some passengers moved from the seats at the back of the bus so she could have the row for herself and the dogs because she'd "Had a bad day". Ohh, a self entitled person or they think they are - can’t stand people like that. I didn't realise the fare she paid covered seats for six dogs.  |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 9, 2018 0:00:42 GMT
Ohh, a self entitled person or they think they are - can’t stand people like that. I didn't realise the fare she paid covered seats for six dogs. She was using the dog version of the Hopper ticket - The Woofer Ticket.   |
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Post by Frenzie on Sept 9, 2018 0:30:13 GMT
I am clearly in a minority here, but if I am going for a bus at a particular time, I always try to arrive a couple of minutes early (if possible), in case the bus is early. There's always the possibility of a couple of minutes difference between the clock the bus driver sees and the clock I am looking at. Nowadays I can make the timing closer thanks to iBus, so that's a definite improvement. Having said the above I expect the bus driver to run to time and not be early. I do that too, I’ve always liked to be early to places in general but I don’t think it’s fair that passengers are forced to leave early for the sake of a bus coming earlier than expected otherwise the timetable becomes obsolete imo, especially on lower frequency routes. My 111 driver arrived at Hounslow bus station 7:00 early and got to Kingston 15:00 minutes early. He was indeed breaking the speed limit but was certainly the most enjoyable journey I’ve had on the route. Incidentally we only picked up one passenger between the bus station and Kingston presumably because other potential passengers weren’t prepared for such an early arrival. It shows how important timetabling is and I fully respect those who get it right! |
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Post by deppy42 on Sept 9, 2018 6:14:03 GMT
I do that too, I’ve always liked to be early to places in general but I don’t think it’s fair that passengers are forced to leave early for the sake of a bus coming earlier than expected otherwise the timetable becomes obsolete imo, especially on lower frequency routes. My 111 driver arrived at Hounslow bus station 7:00 early and got to Kingston 15:00 minutes early. He was indeed breaking the speed limit but was certainly the most enjoyable journey I’ve had on the route. Incidentally we only picked up one passenger between the bus station and Kingston presumably because other potential passengers weren’t prepared for such an early arrival. It shows how important timetabling is and I fully respect those who get it right! When a high frequency route is running on headways, there is no early running. buses are advertised as every 8-12 mins. Certainly on the 111 drivers do not have times on their duty card and are required to keep headway from the bus in front. if their is a bus every 8-12 minutes the service is running fine (regardless of actual timings). the only issue is multiple buses at the stands at each end and live changeovers where a relief driver is at the changeover point for a specific time. |
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Post by Frenzie on Sept 9, 2018 12:32:10 GMT
My 111 driver arrived at Hounslow bus station 7:00 early and got to Kingston 15:00 minutes early. He was indeed breaking the speed limit but was certainly the most enjoyable journey I’ve had on the route. Incidentally we only picked up one passenger between the bus station and Kingston presumably because other potential passengers weren’t prepared for such an early arrival. It shows how important timetabling is and I fully respect those who get it right! When a high frequency route is running on headways, there is no early running. buses are advertised as every 8-12 mins. Certainly on the 111 drivers do not have times on their duty card and are required to keep headway from the bus in front. if their is a bus every 8-12 minutes the service is running fine (regardless of actual timings). the only issue is multiple buses at the stands at each end and live changeovers where a relief driver is at the changeover point for a specific time. I apologise. This was at 03:30 when there is a frequency of 30 minutes. |
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maybe they curtailed buses at White Hart as the 282 exists for local passengers? The Metroline equivalent was Norwood Green but not seen that since before the summer holidays. I don't normally go north of Southall Town Centre these days (actually, even reaching there seems rare these days as there is a good chance I'll be using the train 
). I do think I'm probably more critical of Metroline than London United (or Abellio) although over the last year I've also become less tolerant of public transport problems in general. Becoming a grumpy old sod at the age of 23?! 
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