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Post by Pilot on Oct 5, 2018 11:17:16 GMT
Should have taken the £20 quid mate  Sometimes I feel like drivers should have few pre-paid oyster cards or at least with emergency fare in them and sell it to the idiots who pretend forgot their 'card' or got 'cash' only...it's best trick in the book back when buses used to take cash, you'd get few people a day with £50 notes expecting you to just let them on for free because you won't be arsed to give change to that. You have an interesting point, but why should we carry prepaid oysters, people should make sure they have credit on the Oysters and money in their accounts. No I won't take the £20.00 because then that is called stealing buses are fitted with CCTV and If I don't have change then they will want change. I do carry an Oyster Card for whenever I use National Rail. On two occasions I have had people on my 269, explaining they have no money on their card and offer to pay cash, I ask do you have £1.50 in cash. I took the money and paid with my spare Oyster.
Yeah I know, I'd never take cash and even then you're probably in the wrong for giving pre-paid oyster even if they have correct change, but anyways fact is those who don't have oyster are just trying to play you simple as. Also aren't drivers supposed to give the unpaid fare demand tickets ya know with the whole pay for your fare within 5 days at any ticket office...but if you're in south London you'll spend more time writing them up than actually driving.
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Post by sid on Oct 5, 2018 15:25:33 GMT
You have an interesting point, but why should we carry prepaid oysters, people should make sure they have credit on the Oysters and money in their accounts. No I won't take the £20.00 because then that is called stealing buses are fitted with CCTV and If I don't have change then they will want change. I do carry an Oyster Card for whenever I use National Rail. On two occasions I have had people on my 269, explaining they have no money on their card and offer to pay cash, I ask do you have £1.50 in cash. I took the money and paid with my spare Oyster.
Yeah I know, I'd never take cash and even then you're probably in the wrong for giving pre-paid oyster even if they have correct change, but anyways fact is those who don't have oyster are just trying to play you simple as. Also aren't drivers supposed to give the unpaid fare demand tickets ya know with the whole pay for your fare within 5 days at any ticket office...but if you're in south London you'll spend more time writing them up than actually driving.
I was on a 177 recently and overheard somebody telling his mate that he got a double bleep on his oyster so had no credit but the driver didn't say anything. His mate replies "if the driver says anything just pretend to be ill and say you desperately need to get to the doctors or hospital, they have to let you travel"! |
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Post by Pilot on Oct 5, 2018 16:19:34 GMT
Yeah I know, I'd never take cash and even then you're probably in the wrong for giving pre-paid oyster even if they have correct change, but anyways fact is those who don't have oyster are just trying to play you simple as. Also aren't drivers supposed to give the unpaid fare demand tickets ya know with the whole pay for your fare within 5 days at any ticket office...but if you're in south London you'll spend more time writing them up than actually driving.
I was on a 177 recently and overheard somebody telling his mate that he got a double bleep on his oyster so had no credit but the driver didn't say anything. His mate replies "if the driver says anything just pretend to be ill and say you desperately need to get to the doctors or hospital, they have to let you travel"! I heard that one already...only to realize within a week he's a regular.
Most excuses will do though, because there is nothing you can do as a driver to refuse entry on the bus...only thing you can do is tell the good ol 'if the inspector comes in it's on you'... sure some drivers protest and wait at the stop for 5-10 minutes realizing it's not working and then everyone is a loser because people are late, you're late, now you have to be turned, more issues for ibus and everyone. What did I not try myself and nothing worked if you got that one in particular person who doesn't care, sure there are people who'd gladly walk off the bus if you tell them to do so...my dream type of passenger (I actually feel sorry for them because THEY'RE the ones with genuine problem or genuinely forgot to top up and so on)...I mean you don't know it, but sometimes you can judge I suppose because some acting skills are better than others.
Oh and I actually looked up on twitter and stuff at what people complain TFL and the most common thing is people complaining about the driver letting someone on the bus who didn't pay...but do give the drivers solution because if we protest and wait at stop for 5 minutes for the person to get off, the ones who paid will either complain that we're wasting time or to let them on...thus you'll also have people complaining that they have all the time in the world and they'd rather not have the guy who didn't pay on the bus...
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Post by sid on Oct 5, 2018 18:16:06 GMT
I was on a 177 recently and overheard somebody telling his mate that he got a double bleep on his oyster so had no credit but the driver didn't say anything. His mate replies "if the driver says anything just pretend to be ill and say you desperately need to get to the doctors or hospital, they have to let you travel"! I heard that one already...only to realize within a week he's a regular.
Most excuses will do though, because there is nothing you can do as a driver to refuse entry on the bus...only thing you can do is tell the good ol 'if the inspector comes in it's on you'... sure some drivers protest and wait at the stop for 5-10 minutes realizing it's not working and then everyone is a loser because people are late, you're late, now you have to be turned, more issues for ibus and everyone. What did I not try myself and nothing worked if you got that one in particular person who doesn't care, sure there are people who'd gladly walk off the bus if you tell them to do so...my dream type of passenger (I actually feel sorry for them because THEY'RE the ones with genuine problem or genuinely forgot to top up and so on)...I mean you don't know it, but sometimes you can judge I suppose because some acting skills are better than others.
Oh and I actually looked up on twitter and stuff at what people complain TFL and the most common thing is people complaining about the driver letting someone on the bus who didn't pay...but do give the drivers solution because if we protest and wait at stop for 5 minutes for the person to get off, the ones who paid will either complain that we're wasting time or to let them on...thus you'll also have people complaining that they have all the time in the world and they'd rather not have the guy who didn't pay on the bus...
And there is the one about the chip in their oyster being faulty, at least with paper tickets you can clearly see whether they are valid or not. The poor old driver really is caught between a rock and a hard place about how to deal with freeloaders. |
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Post by jamirie on Oct 5, 2018 19:58:57 GMT
I heard that one already...only to realize within a week he's a regular.
Most excuses will do though, because there is nothing you can do as a driver to refuse entry on the bus...only thing you can do is tell the good ol 'if the inspector comes in it's on you'... sure some drivers protest and wait at the stop for 5-10 minutes realizing it's not working and then everyone is a loser because people are late, you're late, now you have to be turned, more issues for ibus and everyone. What did I not try myself and nothing worked if you got that one in particular person who doesn't care, sure there are people who'd gladly walk off the bus if you tell them to do so...my dream type of passenger (I actually feel sorry for them because THEY'RE the ones with genuine problem or genuinely forgot to top up and so on)...I mean you don't know it, but sometimes you can judge I suppose because some acting skills are better than others.
Oh and I actually looked up on twitter and stuff at what people complain TFL and the most common thing is people complaining about the driver letting someone on the bus who didn't pay...but do give the drivers solution because if we protest and wait at stop for 5 minutes for the person to get off, the ones who paid will either complain that we're wasting time or to let them on...thus you'll also have people complaining that they have all the time in the world and they'd rather not have the guy who didn't pay on the bus...
And there is the one about the chip in their oyster being faulty, at least with paper tickets you can clearly see whether they are valid or not. The poor old driver really is caught between a rock and a hard place about how to deal with freeloaders. If faking an illness or you were actually unwell, I'd let you travel, but not on my bus! In an ambulance, after I'd called one for you. |
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Post by Pilot on Oct 6, 2018 13:57:27 GMT
And there is the one about the chip in their oyster being faulty, at least with paper tickets you can clearly see whether they are valid or not. The poor old driver really is caught between a rock and a hard place about how to deal with freeloaders. If faking an illness or you were actually unwell, I'd let you travel, but not on my bus! In an ambulance, after I'd called one for you.
Lol you'd look real good when you call ibus and they just ignore your request, it's the typical mistake a lot of new drivers do they threaten the passenger to get off or call the police and then ibus just tells you to get going and makes the driver look like an idiot. Admit yourself there is nothing you can do to get the guy off the bus...HOWEVER I kid you not 2 weeks ago I was behind some bus just after 4PM and I saw 2 TFL ticket guys on it with high vis jackets almost throwing those kids off the bus with no oysters, kind of just shoving them from the bus at the bus stop.
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Post by londonbusboy on Oct 6, 2018 15:26:09 GMT
So today was out on the B15s a day of people taking the mick. A man who was smoking asks me how long until I leave. I say 1 minute (I was at Horncastle Road stop where there is a two minute gap between trips), he then taps his oyster on the reader and there is no money on his pass and I told him you can't travel and this was the second person in this trip. The B15 gets a lot of people trying to get free journeys in Horn Park. He tried to pay with a £20.00 Note and I said we don't take cash, started running his mouth and refused to get off. A passenger already on decided to pay for him and he didn't even say thank you instead sat near the front and still running his mouth. I asked him to stop running his mouth and he stopped talking as he was still making noise even though someone paid for him. Overall my thoughts you can buy cigarettes but not enough for bus fare? Next A woman was about to board and asked me to wait 5 minutes for her friend who she was on the phone to and tried preventing me from closing the door. I said I cannot do that I'm due to leave now and took me a few attempts to ask her to leave. I really find it funny she expected me to wait for someone who is still in there house, if I could see the person coming thats a different story does anyone really expecting a bus to wait 5 minutes for someone who isn't there answer no, then when the bus is held for service regulation that is the same kind of person who would complain and start muttering... continued.... When driving towards the next stop no one was there until I noticed two ladies running and hailing the bus, so I stopped for them at the stop and they said "Thank You". .... I find the 229 passengers will come up and start asking "why are we waiting here" when I already explain over the PA that the bus will be held here for a few minutes. Once after a short diversion via the A206 because West Street was closed, I was due to come off so I had to wait at Erith Station for a few minutes. Someone came up to me and asked me "Why are we waiting here I'm already late". So I said "I did say this bus is on diversion and the next stop will be Erith Station where the bus will be waiting because the bus needs to be on time". He then said "You shouldn't have gone on diversion then and driven through the road closure". I couldn't even respond to that because clearly it was closed off by Police. Sometimes i do like a good fare dispute others not just depends on my mood. I had a lady last week that spoke to me like a piece of sh*t in which the engine went straight off and a standoff occurred  When people ask for you to wait for someone and you say no they generally pull a face and continue to stand there. Now when they ask i just reply i dont have any choice do i? |
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Post by rambo on Oct 6, 2018 21:02:54 GMT
If faking an illness or you were actually unwell, I'd let you travel, but not on my bus! In an ambulance, after I'd called one for you. Lol you'd look real good when you call ibus and they just ignore your request, it's the typical mistake a lot of new drivers do they threaten the passenger to get off or call the police and then ibus just tells you to get going and makes the driver look like an idiot. Admit yourself there is nothing you can do to get the guy off the bus...HOWEVER I kid you not 2 weeks ago I was behind some bus just after 4PM and I saw 2 TFL ticket guys on it with high vis jackets almost throwing those kids off the bus with no oysters, kind of just shoving them from the bus at the bus stop.
How I used to do it. "hello centrecom, I have a passenger who is refusing to pay, which is not a problem, however the passenger is being very abusive to other passengers and I FEAR FOR THEIR SAFETY". |
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Post by sid on Oct 6, 2018 23:06:15 GMT
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Post by Pilot on Oct 6, 2018 23:26:41 GMT
I think it's something to do with the law which allows them to sit in bus stops or something like that for a short period of time with no fine.
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Post by sid on Oct 6, 2018 23:37:39 GMT
I think it's something to do with the law which allows them to sit in bus stops or something like that for a short period of time with no fine.
Somebody at the stop had flagged the cab down, presumably when they realised buses had been diverted away and it was a long walk in the pouring rain to the next stop? |
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Post by portman227 on Oct 7, 2018 0:36:46 GMT
I think it's something to do with the law which allows them to sit in bus stops or something like that for a short period of time with no fine.
Somebody at the stop had flagged the cab down, presumably when they realised buses had been diverted away and it was a long walk in the pouring rain to the next stop? 100% would agree it's not pleasant to wake from Marble Arch/Park Lane to Dorchester hotel. It's a lengthy bus stop and the average person would have caught the central line or flagged down a taxi |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Oct 7, 2018 8:21:38 GMT
.... I find the 229 passengers will come up and start asking "why are we waiting here" when I already explain over the PA that the bus will be held here for a few minutes. Once after a short diversion via the A206 because West Street was closed, I was due to come off so I had to wait at Erith Station for a few minutes. Someone came up to me and asked me "Why are we waiting here I'm already late". So I said "I did say this bus is on diversion and the next stop will be Erith Station where the bus will be waiting because the bus needs to be on time". He then said "You shouldn't have gone on diversion then and driven through the road closure". I couldn't even respond to that because clearly it was closed off by Police. Good grief, in a way thank goodness this guy gets the bus rather than drive himself, just imagine… Wonder if he could be related to that woman who tried to drive straight through a marathon??  |
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Post by Nathan on Oct 7, 2018 8:27:45 GMT
So today was out on the B15s a day of people taking the mick. A man who was smoking asks me how long until I leave. I say 1 minute (I was at Horncastle Road stop where there is a two minute gap between trips), he then taps his oyster on the reader and there is no money on his pass and I told him you can't travel and this was the second person in this trip. The B15 gets a lot of people trying to get free journeys in Horn Park. He tried to pay with a £20.00 Note and I said we don't take cash, started running his mouth and refused to get off. A passenger already on decided to pay for him and he didn't even say thank you instead sat near the front and still running his mouth. I asked him to stop running his mouth and he stopped talking as he was still making noise even though someone paid for him. Overall my thoughts you can buy cigarettes but not enough for bus fare? Next A woman was about to board and asked me to wait 5 minutes for her friend who she was on the phone to and tried preventing me from closing the door. I said I cannot do that I'm due to leave now and took me a few attempts to ask her to leave. I really find it funny she expected me to wait for someone who is still in there house, if I could see the person coming thats a different story does anyone really expecting a bus to wait 5 minutes for someone who isn't there answer no, then when the bus is held for service regulation that is the same kind of person who would complain and start muttering... continued.... When driving towards the next stop no one was there until I noticed two ladies running and hailing the bus, so I stopped for them at the stop and they said "Thank You". .... I find the 229 passengers will come up and start asking "why are we waiting here" when I already explain over the PA that the bus will be held here for a few minutes. Once after a short diversion via the A206 because West Street was closed, I was due to come off so I had to wait at Erith Station for a few minutes. Someone came up to me and asked me "Why are we waiting here I'm already late". So I said "I did say this bus is on diversion and the next stop will be Erith Station where the bus will be waiting because the bus needs to be on time". He then said "You shouldn't have gone on diversion then and driven through the road closure". I couldn't even respond to that because clearly it was closed off by Police. The 229 bit cracked me up 😂 The general public can be really stupid at times LOL |
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 10, 2018 6:26:12 GMT
Yesterday,I managed to get off the bus,walk to Costa,get a drink & walk back to the bus stop whilst the bus was regulating.Come On,these waiting times are getting silly
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