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Post by sid on Oct 17, 2018 20:02:14 GMT
Exactly, TfL seem to have become so transfixed with hitting the right targets and ticking the right boxes that the whole purpose of running buses in the first place seems to have been completely overlooked. I use Brighton & Hove buses quite regularly and they don't get delayed in order to regulate the service and they don't change destination mid route, late running is sorted out when the bus reaches its destination usually by sending it out of service to a point further along the route where they will be back on time.I know I don't always (or even often  ) agree with your posts, but I concur that regulation of the service mid-route should only occur in rare, exceptional cases and short turning in those circumstances should also be far less prevalent than now. After all, TfL have long believed that passengers aren't able to understand SCHEDULED short workings, any more than with suffixed route numbers, so let's have some consistency! I think it's a complete nonsense removing scheduled short workings and suffix numbers. Passengers are more likely to be confused, not to mention angry, about the destination changing mid journey. Years ago they just had to grin and bear it but with viable alternatives readily available it's no surprise that people are voting with their feet and bus usage is in decline, TfL really need to get their act together or the decline will continue. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 17, 2018 20:26:00 GMT
One thing that really annoys me is that the iBus for the 79 says "79 to Edgware Station" and all the other routes which terminate in the same place simply say "x to Edgware". Why would they have changed the 79 but not the other routes..? This isn’t the only example. 3 others I have seen The 76 states “76 to Tottenham Hale, Bus Station” and all other routes state “Tottenham Hale” The 225 states “225 to Hither Green” and the N171 states ” N171 to Hither Green Station” The P4 states “P4 to Brixton Station” and all other routes state “Brixton” |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 17, 2018 20:51:14 GMT
One thing that really annoys me is that the iBus for the 79 says "79 to Edgware Station" and all the other routes which terminate in the same place simply say "x to Edgware". Why would they have changed the 79 but not the other routes..? This isn’t the only example. 3 others I have seen The 76 states “76 to Tottenham Hale, Bus Station” and all other routes state “Tottenham Hale” The 225 states “225 to Hither Green” and the N171 states ” N171 to Hither Green Station” The P4 states “P4 to Brixton Station” and all other routes state “Brixton” A slightly unknown example by many is the 677 which is "677 to Ilford, Hainault Street" as opposed to just "Ilford" on other routes. Then you also have the famous 147 example where the 147s iBus states "Canning Town Station" |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 17, 2018 22:49:55 GMT
Alexander Dennis are now introducing the Smart Vision camera feature for the Enviro range in place of regular rear view mirrors. I'm presuming the features are optional but i wouldn't be surprised if it's trialled out with at least one London operator. youtu.be/VU9vXw2b5g02 big blind spots there! These will last 5 minutes, what happens when camera lenses get dirty or a monitor packs up? If the lense get dirty you do what you currently do with a dirty mirror ... clean it. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 18, 2018 10:39:21 GMT
But the current system is driving people away from buses ... do you think a system that actively encourages and finacially benefits companies to pad out services to run excessively slowly is the right way to go ... customer numbers suggest not! I dont mind waiting for a bus ... it is accepted ... but being deliberated delayed is unacceptable in my eyes. The few weeks ago, I was on a bus and needed to make a connection. My bus was due 2 minutes before my connecting bus. 3 stops away we were regulated and arrived to see my connecting bus pull away as I arrived ... had to wait 20 mins for next one ... so delayed by 23 minutes. Since then I have driven when making that journey, as I do not appreciate my time being wasted, and driving takes less time than that time that was needlessly wasted. As passengers, why should we care about commercial bonuses or fines? We just want to feel our journey does matter. The current system just peees them off! In retail the most important customer is the one you are dealing with ... a lesson London Bus operators and TfL could learn from. Exactly, TfL seem to have become so transfixed with hitting the right targets and ticking the right boxes that the whole purpose of running buses in the first place seems to have been completely overlooked. I use Brighton & Hove buses quite regularly and they don't get delayed in order to regulate the service and they don't change destination mid route, late running is sorted out when the bus reaches its destination usually by sending it out of service to a point further along the route where they will be back on time.Brighton and Hove has a big advantage - many of its routes are U-shaped, and both ends terminate somewhere near the A27 by-pass. A late bus can be sent out of service to the other terminal very quickly, although this does mean missing a complete trip. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 18, 2018 11:01:08 GMT
Exactly, TfL seem to have become so transfixed with hitting the right targets and ticking the right boxes that the whole purpose of running buses in the first place seems to have been completely overlooked. I use Brighton & Hove buses quite regularly and they don't get delayed in order to regulate the service and they don't change destination mid route, late running is sorted out when the bus reaches its destination usually by sending it out of service to a point further along the route where they will be back on time.Brighton and Hove has a big advantage - many of its routes are U-shaped, and both ends terminate somewhere near the A27 by-pass. A late bus can be sent out of service to the other terminal very quickly, although this does mean missing a complete trip. So Brighton has a better road infrastructure ..... London will always have issues with it road infrastructure unless something radical is done to change things .... radical is not something we do in this country .... so London will forever be congested |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 18, 2018 12:11:17 GMT
Brighton and Hove has a big advantage - many of its routes are U-shaped, and both ends terminate somewhere near the A27 by-pass. A late bus can be sent out of service to the other terminal very quickly, although this does mean missing a complete trip. So Brighton has a better road infrastructure ..... London will always have issues with it road infrastructure unless something radical is done to change things .... radical is not something we do in this country .... so London will forever be congested I would not say Brighton itself had a better road infrastructure than London - it can easily get just as congested. However Brighton and Hove Buses do have the advantage of U-shaped routes and the ability to use the A27 for service recovery, an advantage that would be impossible to replicate in London. |
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Post by sid on Oct 18, 2018 13:15:14 GMT
Exactly, TfL seem to have become so transfixed with hitting the right targets and ticking the right boxes that the whole purpose of running buses in the first place seems to have been completely overlooked. I use Brighton & Hove buses quite regularly and they don't get delayed in order to regulate the service and they don't change destination mid route, late running is sorted out when the bus reaches its destination usually by sending it out of service to a point further along the route where they will be back on time.Brighton and Hove has a big advantage - many of its routes are U-shaped, and both ends terminate somewhere near the A27 by-pass. A late bus can be sent out of service to the other terminal very quickly, although this does mean missing a complete trip. B&H routes like the 5 group are handy in that respect but less so the 12 to Eastbourne for example. There are plenty of routes in London where short cuts can be used out of service to get a late running bus back on time. As far as I'm aware B&H don't do mid route curtailments, buses continue to their advertised destination and then the late running is dealt with and it needn't mean a whole trip being missed, a bus can be sent out of service to a point further along the route where it will be back on time. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 18, 2018 18:16:40 GMT
This is something I made a few minutes ago This is meant to represent a poster,if put up may be more effective than sending boring emails (It doesn't look the best but this is just an initial idea) Not necesssarily the facts on the poster are real  Attachment Deleted |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 18, 2018 19:19:34 GMT
This is something I made a few minutes ago This is meant to represent a poster,if put up may be more effective than sending boring emails (It doesn't look the best but this is just an initial idea) Not necesssarily the facts on the poster are real View AttachmentUnfortunately red text on a greyish background is nigh on unreadable. I certainly can't read all of it. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 18, 2018 19:30:36 GMT
This is something I made a few minutes ago This is meant to represent a poster,if put up may be more effective than sending boring emails (It doesn't look the best but this is just an initial idea) Not necesssarily the facts on the poster are real View AttachmentUnfortunately red text on a greyish background is nigh on unreadable. I certainly can't read all of it. I can change the background image contrast but this is just an initial idea |
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Post by met120 on Oct 19, 2018 17:15:06 GMT
TFL sent a marketing email “With improved reliability, the 105 bus from Greenford to Heathrow is now running like clockwork” a few day ago.
But it’s been terrible this week. They are clearing having a laugh.
They need to review certain routes in the Southall area.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 19, 2018 23:49:42 GMT
They need to review certain routes in the Southall area. Be careful what you wish for is all I will say on that front  |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 20, 2018 9:43:10 GMT
TFL sent a marketing email “With improved reliability, the 105 bus from Greenford to Heathrow is now running like clockwork” a few day ago. But it’s been terrible this week. They are clearing having a laugh. They need to review certain routes in the Southall area. Given this is the second instance of this type of E Mail it looks like TfL are looking at their performance stats and where there is an improvement they then send out these generic E Mails to those who have registered Oyster / contactless accounts and use the routes in question. The problem is that this is all very well in theory but if people then experience service that is not good it just makes TfL look a bit daft. Given the variability of London's traffic it is not a very sensible idea to crow about reliability when a route can collapse just because someone turns up and digs up a road as we saw in Walthamstow yesterday. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 20, 2018 20:05:28 GMT
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) agree with your posts, but I concur that regulation of the service mid-route should only occur in rare, exceptional cases and short turning in those circumstances should also be far less prevalent than now. After all, TfL have long believed that passengers aren't able to understand SCHEDULED short workings, any more than with suffixed route numbers, so let's have some consistency!
