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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 20:21:08 GMT
Quick question is the London wide ULEZ starting in 2020 or 2021 - Pretty sure its 2021 but know something was changed because the central London ULEZ was brought forward. TfL website suggests 2021.
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Post by redexpress on Aug 19, 2019 20:29:10 GMT
Quick question is the London wide ULEZ starting in 2020 or 2021 - Pretty sure its 2021 but know something was changed because the central London ULEZ was brought forward. TfL website suggests 2021. Strictly speaking ULEZ isn't going London-wide. What's happening is that the LEZ standards (which apply to heavy vehicles such as buses) will be tightened to EuroVI from October 2020, i.e. the same standard that is currently required in the ULEZ. So in practice every London bus will need to meet the ULEZ standard from October 2020.
What happens in 2021 is that the ULEZ (which applies to many types of vehicles, not just heavy vehicles) is extended to the North & South Circular roads. But that will have no impact on buses because all London buses will already be compliant by then.
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Post by george on Aug 20, 2019 21:21:38 GMT
I think rightly so there is a lot of critism about buses in London especially giving all the cuts but at the same time being out of London has made me appreciate the good side of London bus net, prices out of London are so expensive. 6.50 for a 20 minute bus journey, was route X5 from Milton Keynes to Buckingham it uses coaches but still think that's a lot. This isn't a cristism for out of London bus opperators as I know there is a lot of great ones including Lothian and Reading.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 20, 2019 21:26:39 GMT
I think rightly so there is a lot of critism about buses in London especially giving all the cuts but at the same time being out of London has made me appreciate the good side of London bus net, prices out of London are so expensive. 6.50 for a 20 minute bus journey, was route X5 from Milton Keynes to Buckingham it uses coaches but still think that's a lot. This isn't a cristism for out of London bus opperators as I know there is a lot of great ones including Lothian and Reading. I'm glad that there's at least an obligation of service. In many parts of the country, bus services are suffering relentless cuts. Whilst that's still the case in London, at least it isn't a case of the operator just withdrawing services from the timetable without consultation.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2019 21:28:41 GMT
I think rightly so there is a lot of critism about buses in London especially giving all the cuts but at the same time being out of London has made me appreciate the good side of London bus net, prices out of London are so expensive. 6.50 for a 20 minute bus journey, was route X5 from Milton Keynes to Buckingham it uses coaches but still think that's a lot. This isn't a cristism for out of London bus opperators as I know there is a lot of great ones including Lothian and Reading. Yeah, prices outside London have long been many expensive for many areas but there are certain tickets that are worth the money. The Discovery ticket which covers Kent, both Sussex counties, Surrey & eastern Hampshire can be used on many operators including all of the major ones - I've done a number of journeys using one including a London to London via Eastbourne & Brighton solely by bus and a Canterbury to Brighton journey via Dover, Rye, Hastings & Eastbourne NXWM do a cheap day ticket where you can ride on pretty much all routes including the X routes - it cost £4 there or there abouts and there are plenty of routes to do. Coupled with the fact that train fares to Birmingham are pretty reasonable, you can get good value for money.
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Post by Pilot on Aug 20, 2019 21:48:38 GMT
TFL wants bus drivers to use PA more, so while the whole 'wait for x amount of minutes' is good idea, TFL would prefer drivers to use microphones for announcements, but sometimes from drivers point of view it's pointless when you have like 2 people on the bus and you have to announce 2 minute service regulation...so yeah I too would like that kinda of thing implemented into MDT.
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Post by 15002 on Aug 21, 2019 7:53:53 GMT
I think rightly so there is a lot of critism about buses in London especially giving all the cuts but at the same time being out of London has made me appreciate the good side of London bus net, prices out of London are so expensive. 6.50 for a 20 minute bus journey, was route X5 from Milton Keynes to Buckingham it uses coaches but still think that's a lot. This isn't a cristism for out of London bus opperators as I know there is a lot of great ones including Lothian and Reading. Yeah, prices outside London have long been many expensive for many areas but there are certain tickets that are worth the money. The Discovery ticket which covers Kent, both Sussex counties, Surrey & eastern Hampshire can be used on many operators including all of the major ones - I've done a number of journeys using one including a London to London via Eastbourne & Brighton solely by bus and a Canterbury to Brighton journey via Dover, Rye, Hastings & Eastbourne NXWM do a cheap day ticket where you can ride on pretty much all routes including the X routes - it cost £4 there or there abouts and there are plenty of routes to do. Coupled with the fact that train fares to Birmingham are pretty reasonable, you can get good value for money. That’s the same with Leicester Arriva, and First too whereby they’ve got 4.20 and 4.00 as the ticket prize. Fairly cheap to be fair if you want to travel around Leicester.
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Post by snowman on Aug 21, 2019 9:33:05 GMT
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Post by ronnie on Aug 21, 2019 10:15:53 GMT
Was paasing through Aldgate east on a 135 and I realised that the number of traffic lights at the junction is a nightmare if you aren’t used to it.
If you are passing through the junction, there are separate lights for turning kedt, turning right and going straight. Plus the cycle lights. If you are driving through it for the first time you just wont know where to look ....
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Post by rif153 on Aug 21, 2019 10:37:08 GMT
Well if a Second Cold War between China and US begins, then they'll also have rivalry in the London bus market! Perhaps we could see competition to build better buses rather than weapons lol!
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 21, 2019 18:07:59 GMT
Well if a Second Cold War between China and US begins, then they'll also have rivalry in the London bus market! Perhaps we could see competition to build better buses rather than weapons lol! Something like this?(Not my photo) Attachment Deleted
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Post by snowman on Aug 21, 2019 18:30:08 GMT
Well if a Second Cold War between China and US begins, then they'll also have rivalry in the London bus market! Perhaps we could see competition to build better buses rather than weapons lol! Something like this?(Not my photo) View AttachmentWeichai is considering assembling buses there, and dumping all the local suppliers It is a subsidiary of Shandong Heavy Industry, which is basically owned by Chinese Government Apparently same group owns Yaxing bus Yaxing school bus pic and specs Yaxing City Bus pic and specs
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Post by daveshah on Aug 21, 2019 18:36:46 GMT
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 21, 2019 19:09:53 GMT
Thanks for linking, just skimmed through it but seems interesting
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Post by rj131 on Aug 21, 2019 19:19:48 GMT
Don’t get me started on ISA, I’ll go off on one again if I’m not careful I’m a bit confused by reading this about ISA, so if a driver exceeds the limit does it just flash a light or physically restrain the bus going faster? Ie there is no possible way to get the bus to go faster than that unless you’re maybe going downhill? Also another I question I have about this is the tolerance the system gives you as a driver. It’s pretty common knowledge that a speedo in a car (I assume a bus does the same) reads about 3mph less than the speed you’re actually going, ie if you’re speedo says you’re doing 30 you’re really doing 27. Another thing that I also think is pretty common knowledge is that a speed camera (or an officer) will only catch you for speeding if you’re doing 10% + 2mph over the speed limit. So is the limit the ISA sets the speed limit +10%+2mph, OR 3mph less than the limit if the system goes off what the speedo is telling it. God help if it’s the latter. This system must become especially infuriating in 20mph zones (well it must be all the time, but especially in 20’s). Take my end to end 111 a couple of weeks ago. Because of the speed I hear some 111 night drivers like to go, I used my GPS speedo on my phone a few times. There are a few 20 zones on the 111 route, and through each one (because of the time of the evening) there wasn’t a single other vehicle around during nearly all of them. My driver was very sensible, the journey round the route was fast but the driver was never driving irresponsibly or dangerously, despite its incredibly tight timetable. The driver was being I’d say responsible, the speedo on my phone said around 24/25mph in these 20 zones in the dead of night. I don’t think anyone can realistically say they stick to exactly 20 all the time as it’s a pitifully low speed. Can you imagine the frustration if the ISA refused to let you go even a smidge over 20mph in the dead of night with not a single other car around? Or even worse, if there was a car behind you that must be getting really annoyed at the fact you’re travelling at a snail’s pace and there’s nothing you can do about it. God I hope the system gives just a little bit of leeway. Like the name suggests, it should be an ‘assistance’. Imo that means you shouldn’t have any different experience driving the bus to what you would have if the bus didn’t have ISA, unless the driver was driving dangerously. Somehow I get an instinct this isn’t the case and it makes the experience of driving the bus extremely frustrating.
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