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Post by Trident on Oct 30, 2009 21:00:09 GMT
Anyone a fan of 15? Here is a place to discuss the route
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2009 14:27:11 GMT
well it beats taking the 25 =)
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Post by jrussa on Nov 7, 2009 17:40:37 GMT
Hi Good Morning/Afternoon/ Evening or even Good night lol I keep on hearing about this Route 15 curtailment between Paddington Basin and Trafalgar Square and about Route 15 only becoming 24hrs between Trafalgar Square, where the day/night route is planned to curtail to Blackwall. Then I got told that Route 5 is extending to Paddington Basin.. apparently only taking 83 mins... which I know for a fact is a lie, because not even Route N15 takes 83 mins during the night lol.. I have been asking people, some people say yes it is true, some say no. Some say that it is stupid, which I cannot blame them. Some say it is good. I really believe that something might be missing which I have not been informed about, because especially the Route 5 part of the package as I call it, sounds... it is hard to describe in a way which shows how stupid it is lol. Can anyone confirm this proposal??.. because if it is true, then it is just plan stupidness, because Route 15 takes just over 1hr and a half between All Saints(ish) to Paddington Basin, and Route 5 itself takes over 1 hour and it takes around 8-10 minutes between All Saint and Canning Town to link them up. That would take over 2hrs 40 minutes, which is plan ridiculous lol... It really is lol Thanks
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Post by john on Nov 8, 2009 0:56:19 GMT
Sorry, but this has to be absolute tosh!!! The 5 takes forever between Canning Town and Romford Market. To extend that to Paddington Basin still requires alot of changes within the infrastructure! I think what you heard regarding the 5 is someone having a laugh really
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Post by Volvo on Nov 8, 2009 1:44:52 GMT
i told him that john as he asked me and i said thats total bull but he just wanted to see if anyone else heard of this. Btw JR not everything you read is true, what is the name of the mag you saw it in? I forgot the name.
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Post by jrussa on Nov 8, 2009 1:57:06 GMT
i told him that john as he asked me and i said thats total bull but he just wanted to see if anyone else heard of this. Btw JR not everything you read is true, what is the name of the mag you saw it in? I forgot the name. lool. Me. I do not buy magazines. Someone told me that they read it in a bus magazine. Apparently so far 2 can actually confirm that they read it in a magazine and it is apparently meant to take place in "July 2010?". Both persons said that he had a question mark after the date. I am going to ask them for the magazine name. But I ensured that I asked them more than twice and they said. The only way how I can see this, is if Route 5 is going to become 24hrs, as what someone stated on another group or if another e.g. Route N550 was to extend to Romford.. but anyway lol I am going to ask both of them...
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Post by john on Nov 9, 2009 14:23:41 GMT
See, now i could see the 15 becoming a 24 hour route but why bother with that? The only benefit gained from such a move would be to eliminate the late running at the Romford end. Even then, they normally can gain the time back from any problems between East Ham and Romford, or in the other direction between Canning Town and Aldwych.
However, extending the N550 would just be pointless. Why extend that the length of the N15 when the N15 does that already!! It's an established route that works very, very well. Everytime i see it at Romford it's busy, and everytime i see it in on route it's busy. Therefore i see no reason in changing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2009 10:51:41 GMT
the 5 is already a really poor service because they merged it with the 87 without the capacity increase required, why do the same again?... could this be where BoJo wants all of the bendy buses to end up?... like the heritage routes, but with bendies?
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Post by john on Nov 20, 2009 18:27:30 GMT
the 5 is already a really poor service because they merged it with the 87 without the capacity increase required, why do the same again?... could this be where BoJo wants all of the bendy buses to end up?... like the heritage routes, but with bendies? The 5 is a strange one really. It's like the 86 in many ways where it has constant traffic problems, plus a heavy patronage which can cause one bus to delay by a couple of minutes, and the one behind to catch up quite quickly. Also, the capacity has increased along the Becontree Heath - Romford section, where as over the old common section, i believe they've maintained capacity by increasing the timetabled frequency to every 6 minutes. Note i said timetabled though ;D
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Post by sw11simon on Nov 21, 2009 8:50:22 GMT
I am not sure of 100% details but a colleague at Arriva told me the 159 tender specifies an extension to Paddington Basin to replace route 15. I'm not sure where the 15 is cut back to though, and am unsure if this a proposal or firm decision.
Also, bearing in mind they are looking at savings at route 15 mirrors route 23 all the way from Paddington to Bank, it could be a good target for cut back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2009 10:23:06 GMT
Interesting that. Not sure ( if this happened, I must add) that it would be a big loss. From personal observation whenever I've seen the 15 north of Marble Arch it's lightly loaded in comparison to the 23, so I couldn't imagine a cutback like that being a big loss. Suppose it depends on where the 15 is cut back to. But I'll just sit back, wait and see what actually happens. I am not sure of 100% details but a colleague at Arriva told me the 159 tender specifies an extension to Paddington Basin to replace route 15. I'm not sure where the 15 is cut back to though, and am unsure if this a proposal or firm decision. Also, bearing in mind they are looking at savings at route 15 mirrors route 23 all the way from Paddington to Bank, it could be a good target for cut back.
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Post by beaver14uk on Nov 22, 2009 12:46:16 GMT
Indeed this is correct - I believe that consultation is going out this week with the 15/N15 cut back to Conduit Street - no the 15 is not going 24 hour (although the 159 is) there are some other proposals to do with the 109 - wait and see. I am not sure of 100% details but a colleague at Arriva told me the 159 tender specifies an extension to Paddington Basin to replace route 15. I'm not sure where the 15 is cut back to though, and am unsure if this a proposal or firm decision. Also, bearing in mind they are looking at savings at route 15 mirrors route 23 all the way from Paddington to Bank, it could be a good target for cut back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 12:56:00 GMT
So if this went ahead, what happens with the N159? Is that where the 109 comes into play? Or isn't there any news on that at the moment? Should I just keep quiet and stop asking all these questions? Indeed this is correct - I believe that consultation is going out this week with the 15/N15 cut back to Conduit Street - no the 15 is not going 24 hour (although the 159 is) there are some other proposals to do with the 109 - wait and see. I am not sure of 100% details but a colleague at Arriva told me the 159 tender specifies an extension to Paddington Basin to replace route 15. I'm not sure where the 15 is cut back to though, and am unsure if this a proposal or firm decision. Also, bearing in mind they are looking at savings at route 15 mirrors route 23 all the way from Paddington to Bank, it could be a good target for cut back.
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Post by beaver14uk on Nov 22, 2009 13:07:31 GMT
You might as well have the full story now - lets hope I don't get in bother but it should be public next week. I should add this is will be out for consultation so may not happen. N109 Oxford Circus Croydon and 64 goes 24 hour to replace the N159 in the New Addington area. So if this went ahead, what happens with the N159? Is that where the 109 comes into play? Or isn't there any news on that at the moment? Should I just keep quiet and stop asking all these questions? Indeed this is correct - I believe that consultation is going out this week with the 15/N15 cut back to Conduit Street - no the 15 is not going 24 hour (although the 159 is) there are some other proposals to do with the 109 - wait and see.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 22, 2009 14:57:06 GMT
You might as well have the full story now - lets hope I don't get in bother but it should be public next week. I should add this is will be out for consultation so may not happen. N109 Oxford Circus Croydon and 64 goes 24 hour to replace the N159 in the New Addington area. So if this went ahead, what happens with the N159? Is that where the 109 comes into play? Or isn't there any news on that at the moment? Should I just keep quiet and stop asking all these questions? So basically the N109 could return after 10 years but running a rather smaller section than it did previously. Making the 159 a 24 hour route would be a good idea as it's one of London's most important routes but I wonder if this would continue the process of sticking TH DLA's onto the 159 around 20:30-21:00 like what happens now currently.
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