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Post by TB123 on Aug 16, 2022 11:25:00 GMT
Remember nothing is confirmed! There is nothing solid to say Stagecoach are buying the operators! For all we know Arriva could take on the routes from HK until the end of the contracts for example! You never know! A former colleague of mine still at HK, tells me stagecoach managers are there now, and they have been told takeover on 27th. Well, so he says. Interestingly the day after the 812 is withdrawn
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Post by yunus on Aug 16, 2022 11:30:12 GMT
A former colleague of mine still at HK, tells me stagecoach managers are there now, and they have been told takeover on 27th. Well, so he says. Interestingly the day after the 812 is withdrawn Can anyone confirm if the garage at Crooked Billet is included?
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Post by WH241 on Aug 16, 2022 11:38:49 GMT
Interestingly the day after the 812 is withdrawn Can anyone confirm if the garage at Crooked Billet is included? There is no official confirmation of either garages being sold at the moment.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 16, 2022 11:42:19 GMT
Remember nothing is confirmed! There is nothing solid to say Stagecoach are buying the operators! For all we know Arriva could take on the routes from HK until the end of the contracts for example! You never know! Genuine question, As it is a social enterprise what happens if it is bought ? Where will the money go ? to pay of debts etc or back into the community how does that work ? It is still effectively a limited company, so all usual practices around closing a company will be followed. Depends, if the company is purchased, the buying company will take on the debts and other liabilities. If they are just buying the assets, it is basically a limited company at the end of the day, and will be treated as just another company closure. Any surplus funds, if there are any, will be returned to the shareholder(s), but believe CT Plus is 100% owned by LB of Hackney.
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Post by cl54 on Aug 16, 2022 12:13:45 GMT
Can anyone confirm if the garage at Crooked Billet is included? There is no official confirmation of either garages being sold at the moment. Ash Grove is owned by TfL so not for sale.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 16, 2022 12:38:18 GMT
There is no official confirmation of either garages being sold at the moment. Ash Grove is owned by TfL so not for sale. Sorry I was being a lazy with a quick reply and meant the bus operation / routes. I do wonder would Stagecoach really want to lease 3 TfL garages hence my reply yesterday suggesting the routes could move to LI if Stagecoach do buy the company.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 16, 2022 15:19:03 GMT
Ash Grove is owned by TfL so not for sale. Sorry I was being a lazy with a quick reply and meant the bus operation / routes. I do wonder would Stagecoach really want to lease 3 TfL garages hence my reply yesterday suggesting the routes could move to LI if Stagecoach do buy the company. There is more chance of Ronaldo moving to Spurs than HCT moving to Stagecoach wouldn't TfL worry about one operator getting too much of a presence in an area? If bits of HCT are for sale, I hope Arriva buy the 394 E200s for the 318
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 16, 2022 15:29:37 GMT
Sorry I was being a lazy with a quick reply and meant the bus operation / routes. I do wonder would Stagecoach really want to lease 3 TfL garages hence my reply yesterday suggesting the routes could move to LI if Stagecoach do buy the company. There is more chance of Ronaldo moving to Spurs than HCT moving to Stagecoach wouldn't TfL worry about one operator getting too much of a presence in an area? If bits of HCT are for sale, I hope Arriva buy the 394 E200s for the 318 Maybe for HK and Stagecoach. I could see Go Ahead acquiring AW. Whilst it would increase their market share slightly overall it would only increase their presence in the North East area by a small margin.
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 16, 2022 15:30:23 GMT
Sorry I was being a lazy with a quick reply and meant the bus operation / routes. I do wonder would Stagecoach really want to lease 3 TfL garages hence my reply yesterday suggesting the routes could move to LI if Stagecoach do buy the company. There is more chance of Ronaldo moving to Spurs than HCT moving to Stagecoach wouldn't TfL worry about one operator getting too much of a presence in an area? If bits of HCT are for sale, I hope Arriva buy the 394 E200s for the 318 They didn’t seem to mind when the acquisition of First by Metroline left the majority of NW London to just Metroline and RATP, and that was before Arriva and TT decided to leave afterwards
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Post by abellion on Aug 16, 2022 15:35:29 GMT
Sorry I was being a lazy with a quick reply and meant the bus operation / routes. I do wonder would Stagecoach really want to lease 3 TfL garages hence my reply yesterday suggesting the routes could move to LI if Stagecoach do buy the company. wouldn't TfL worry about one operator getting too much of a presence in an area? Looking at Go-Ahead with A and AL, clearly not!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 15:49:49 GMT
wouldn't TfL worry about one operator getting too much of a presence in an area? Looking at Go-Ahead with A and AL, clearly not! TfL would probably prefer different companies running former CT Plus to help keep bids down. But I don’t know how much power they actually have over scenarios such as this.
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 16, 2022 15:56:30 GMT
Sorry I was being a lazy with a quick reply and meant the bus operation / routes. I do wonder would Stagecoach really want to lease 3 TfL garages hence my reply yesterday suggesting the routes could move to LI if Stagecoach do buy the company. There is more chance of Ronaldo moving to Spurs than HCT moving to Stagecoach wouldn't TfL worry about one operator getting too much of a presence in an area? If bits of HCT are for sale, I hope Arriva buy the 394 E200s for the 318 Go Ahead dominate practically most of South London and are making a lot of inroads in the East I can't see it being a issue with Arriva and Go Ahead still about , it would be just like going back to pre 2002 when you had Capital , Stagecoach and Arriva in East London with Docklands Buses/Minibuses popping up every now and then to get sold and then re come back 😂😂
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 16, 2022 16:10:27 GMT
There is more chance of Ronaldo moving to Spurs than HCT moving to Stagecoach wouldn't TfL worry about one operator getting too much of a presence in an area? If bits of HCT are for sale, I hope Arriva buy the 394 E200s for the 318 They didn’t seem to mind when the acquisition of First by Metroline left the majority of NW London to just Metroline and RATP, and that was before Arriva and TT decided to leave afterwards In fairness they did proceed to give Metroline a hiding in tender results, with Metroline West losing route after route (not to mention shutting down passenger operations at one base) in the first few years alone. Abellio has emerged as the direct competitor of most of the Metroline West network in the years since it was formed.
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 16, 2022 16:21:31 GMT
They didn’t seem to mind when the acquisition of First by Metroline left the majority of NW London to just Metroline and RATP, and that was before Arriva and TT decided to leave afterwards In fairness they did proceed to give Metroline a hiding in tender results, with Metroline West losing route after route (not to mention shutting down passenger operations at one base) in the first few years alone. Abellio has emerged as the direct competitor of most of the Metroline West network in the years since it was formed. That was not a result of TfL policy. It would be illegal for TfL to interfere with an open tendering process. They have an obligation to award to the lowest compliant bid or provide a reason why they can’t like joint bid or higher quality expected. But they can’t not award to Metroline West on the basis of market dominance. It is clear though that both RATP and Abellio saw a gap where they could exploit Metrolines dominance with lower bids. But to say it was TfL directly is factually inaccurate.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 16, 2022 16:24:53 GMT
More vinyls to order they haven’t even got round to the buses at LI yet
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