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Post by jay38a on Nov 2, 2010 21:40:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 21:43:17 GMT
Please could as many of you complain/ comment about the changes to Route 409 and whatever else you feel necessary as the 409 is a very much needed route. However, in your messages please sound like normal passengers. I know sometimes its easy to go off on one...  Make some excuses about your 'Elderly mother' or 'being unable to drive', 'out in the sticks', 'only routes in area'. Thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 21:46:33 GMT
Please could as many of you complain/ comment about the changes to Route 409 and whatever else you feel necessary as the 409 is a very much needed route. However, in your messages please sound like normal passengers. I know sometimes its easy to go off on one... Make some excuses about your 'Elderly mother' or 'being unable to drive', 'out in the sticks', 'only routes in area'. Thanks Falsification of the facts is NOT the way to pursue a GENUINE complaint!  |
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Post by jay38a on Nov 2, 2010 22:23:34 GMT
But we all just have to look at what Surrey CC proposed for Route 324 which was complete withdrawl, but most of the route ended up having an increase to every 30 mins with a withdrawl of only a small section of route that is very countryfied. I can say the section between Caterham and East Grinstead is Countryfied but has some quite large settlements and the northern section between Caterham and Croydon is very built up and you can quite easily mistake it with being London as theres no countryside between them (apart from Fairleigh Common but not sure whether you would count that as countyside).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 14:13:57 GMT
Please could as many of you complain/ comment about the changes to Route 409 and whatever else you feel necessary as the 409 is a very much needed route. However, in your messages please sound like normal passengers. I know sometimes its easy to go off on one... Make some excuses about your 'Elderly mother' or 'being unable to drive', 'out in the sticks', 'only routes in area'. Thanks Falsification of the facts is NOT the way to pursue a GENUINE complaint! I have made a complaint but to make it more likely to have an impact on SCC's decision I have beefed up the FACTS a bit. Besides its not really a complaint of service, they are having a consultation and all of what I said to them was true! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 14:46:11 GMT
Falsification of the facts is NOT the way to pursue a GENUINE complaint! I have made a complaint but to make it more likely to have an impact on SCC's decision I have beefed up the FACTS a bit. Besides its not really a complaint of service, they are having a consultation and all of what I said to them was true! Never used it - probably never will - a bit less congestion in Croydon ... withdrawal seems like a good idea |
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Post by jay38a on Nov 3, 2010 14:54:42 GMT
I have made a complaint but to make it more likely to have an impact on SCC's decision I have beefed up the FACTS a bit. Besides its not really a complaint of service, they are having a consultation and all of what I said to them was true! Never used it - probably never will - a bit less congestion in Croydon ... withdrawal seems like a good idea Cutting 1 bus an hour wont relieve congestion. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 15:07:20 GMT
Falsification of the facts is NOT the way to pursue a GENUINE complaint! I have made a complaint but to make it more likely to have an impact on SCC's decision I have beefed up the FACTS a bit. Besides its not really a complaint of service, they are having a consultation and all of what I said to them was true! WRONG! 'Beefing up' means TELLING LIES, pure and simple. Its only a matter of degree!  If your aguement is not strong enough to stand on its own two feet, stand back and see why not!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 15:47:02 GMT
Never used it - probably never will - a bit less congestion in Croydon ... withdrawal seems like a good idea Cutting 1 bus an hour wont relieve congestion. Does if you get stuck behind and miss a change of lights by 1 vehicle |
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Post by jay38a on Nov 3, 2010 16:08:03 GMT
Cutting 1 bus an hour wont relieve congestion. Does if you get stuck behind and miss a change of lights by 1 vehicle Really 1 less bus an hour wont relieve congestion. Look at Oxford Street, they have removed buses alot more then 1 bus an hour from it and look, there's no difference. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 8, 2010 18:25:57 GMT
I think the 409 should stay - I've seen some decent loadings quite a few times towards East Grinstead between Croydon & Selsdon Vale and in Caterham. Can't comment on the rest of the route. It a shame that these cross border routes seem to be disappearing, just hope they don't begin looking at the 420/460 which are both used quite a lot.
However to falsify complaints or whatever you decide to say in the consultation as you suggested 'selkent314', is not the way to do things. Same with beefing up the facts. If they are facts, then they won't need to be beefed up.
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Post by jay38a on Nov 8, 2010 20:52:08 GMT
I think the 409 should stay - I've seen some decent loadings quite a few times towards East Grinstead between Croydon & Selsdon Vale and in Caterham. Can't comment on the rest of the route. It a shame that these cross border routes seem to be disappearing, just hope they don't begin looking at the 420/460 which are both used quite a lot. However to falsify complaints or whatever you decide to say in the consultation as you suggested 'selkent314', is not the way to do things. Same with beefing up the facts. If they are facts, then they won't need to be beefed up. The 420/460 have already both been looked at in Bus Review Phase 1, both have gained a Sunday services (the 420s is on a 6 month trial though) and the 460 has been cut to hourly between Merland Rise and Redhill but increased to every 20 mins between Epsom and Merland Rise. The 430 and 435 in Redhill are now run commerially by Metrobus most of the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2010 10:04:05 GMT
Please could as many of you complain/ comment about the changes to Route 409 and whatever else you feel necessary as the 409 is a very much needed route. However, in your messages please sound like normal passengers. I know sometimes its easy to go off on one... Make some excuses about your 'Elderly mother' or 'being unable to drive', 'out in the sticks', 'only routes in area'. Thanks Any decision as to whether to keep or cut a route will be primarilly based on usage. No amount of complaining will make much difference. You would be better trying to encourage people to use the route or to look at ways that costs could be cut or even look at if changes to the route might get it more usage. Another problem is the Concessionary bus passes. These have starved bus companies of revenues and discouraged fare paying passengers. Outside of London it is common to have the crazy situation where councils are having to pay bus companies to provided bus service that are pretty much only used by concessionary pass holders so it cost the councils twice. Most councils now have 90% of their public tranport budget going towards providing concessionary passes so there is pretty much nothing left to improve public tranport |
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Post by jay38a on Jun 23, 2011 17:06:56 GMT
Surrey CC has now released its finalised plans for Phase 2 of their Bus Review after the consulation. In the end the 409 is not being fully withdrawn however is being chopped in half with the 409 running between Caterham and Selsdon every 30 mins, with peak extensions to Croydon, and the Caterham to East Grinstead section replaced with an hourly 509 service but operating direct between Lingfeild and East Grinstead via Felbridge with commercial route 281 being extended to Lingfeild from Queen Victoria Hospital via Dormansland. Southdown PSV will take on Route 410 commercially and be increased to half hourly throughout between Redhill and Hurst Green. Route 411 will be withdrawn but replaced between Caterham and Redhill by new commercial route 400 run by Metrobus, which will run between Caterham and East Grinstead via Redhill, Gatwick and Crawley. The Section between Caterham and Chelsham Common will be replaced by the boosted 409 mentioned above, and look below at Route 540 for replacements for Tatsfeild journeys. Route 540 is being changed to start at Redhill Bus Station and will follow the existing route to Woldingham however will extend to Tatsfeild, Limpsfeild and Oxted, recreating a link that was taken away quite a few years ago when the 540 was cut back to Woldingham, The Ridge, this will replace the Tatsfeild journeys on Route 411. The PDF of what is happening to the 409 and other routes in Tandridge is here: www.surreycc.gov.uk/legcom/CouncilP.nsf/d9efe397fd21d5db0025652b00654cd8/1a8ae02c28ca2278802578ab003a1872/$FILE/item%2014%20-%20Tandridge%20Area%20bus%20Network%20Annex%20B%20table%202.pdf |
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Post by jay38a on Jul 19, 2011 13:36:19 GMT
Surrey CC have made some minor amendments, which include the 410 gaining a Sunday Service. This reinstates a sunday service to Nutfeild, Bletchingley and Godstone which was withdrawn in 2004 when Surrey stopped supporting the Sunday service on the 411, and gives a sunday service to Old Oxted and Oxted for the first time in well over 10 years and to Hurst Green and Holland for the first time for nearing 20 years (if thats wrong someone can correct me) . It will run every 2 hours from 10am to 5:30pm, and is on a 12 month trial, but i can see it succeeding. Route 409 will be having some peak hour extensions to Croydon on Monday to Friday, but ouch at the dead run from Crawley to Selsdon, but there's no way it can go into Croydon as its full. The last finalised plans are here, including which operator has been awarded the route: www.surreycc.gov.uk/sccwebsite/sccwspublications.nsf/591f7dda55aad72a80256c670041a50d/4bc57f510130f949802578d1004e5c85/$FILE/Guide%20to%20revised%20services%20from%20Sep%203rd%202011%20in%20Tandridge,%20Reigate%20and%20Banstead.pdf |
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