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Post by sleckdeck on Jan 31, 2022 22:34:45 GMT
I am on about the 4 lane conversion on Kew Bridge, the 65 rarely gets caught up in traffic now. In fact weirdly enough I’d avoid using the 267 back home from Twickenham and instead board a 65 as it’s surprisingly the route to avoid traffic. I would also say that the rush hour loads from the South Ealing to Richmond section is a bit concerning as some 65s would be unable to carry any more passengers after Great West Road with most passengers aiming to reach Richmond. The improvements on the bridge are a step in the right direction but the 65 still can get very congested, Petersham is a notorious bottleneck with the weight of traffic going through there, Richmond can get nasty and Kingston has general town centre delays. That is very true, I wonder how the EVs will survive in the Petersham area but they are much faster than the SPs so hoping that they will improve the reliability of the 65. On another note, have LTs ever been typed trained on the 65? I know they failed a test on route 85 but considering the 111 passed RATP could have easily tried? Maybe they would have failed in the Brentford area
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Post by sleckdeck on Jan 31, 2022 22:36:24 GMT
It wouldn’t surprise me due to TfLs significant financial crisis, though the 65 is one of those routes that TFL wouldn’t be able to axe due to running on its own in several areas. I took the 65 on Sunday (mainly to have an SP ride) and it was full on the top deck by the time we left Kingston to head to Richmond. Had a similar time on a Sunday in Kingston, a 65 pulled up to Eden Street with a lot of passengers boarding and only a few seconds after another 65 pulled up. The first bus was packed by Kingston Station and my bus by Kings Road, the PVR increase may be necessary as by Petersham both the bus I was on and the one right infront were driving past crowds of people.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 31, 2022 22:37:10 GMT
The improvements on the bridge are a step in the right direction but the 65 still can get very congested, Petersham is a notorious bottleneck with the weight of traffic going through there, Richmond can get nasty and Kingston has general town centre delays. That is very true, I wonder how the EVs will survive in the Petersham area but they are much faster than the SPs so hoping that they will improve the reliability of the 65. On another note, have LTs ever been typed trained on the 65? I know they failed a test on route 85 but considering the 111 passed RATP could have easily tried? Maybe they would have failed in the Brentford area It's been reported they can navigate Petersham but as far as I'm aware this has only been done on deadruns. FW I'm sure are aware of how challenging the 65 is to drive in parts so it's never seen LTs.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 31, 2022 22:43:27 GMT
The route only just got a +1 PVR increase so I doubt it will suddenly be decreased It wouldn’t surprise me due to TfLs significant financial crisis, though the 65 is one of those routes that TFL wouldn’t be able to axe due to running on its own in several areas. It is also a key trunk route, a bit like the SW 263
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Post by sleckdeck on Jan 31, 2022 22:44:47 GMT
That is very true, I wonder how the EVs will survive in the Petersham area but they are much faster than the SPs so hoping that they will improve the reliability of the 65. On another note, have LTs ever been typed trained on the 65? I know they failed a test on route 85 but considering the 111 passed RATP could have easily tried? Maybe they would have failed in the Brentford area It's been reported they can navigate Petersham but as far as I'm aware this has only been done on deadruns. FW I'm sure are aware of how challenging the 65 is to drive in parts so it's never seen LTs. I see. It was definitely a route that was crying out for open boarding (at the time) over the 267. The SPs do still struggle in Petersham especially with the odd car driver that does not understand how narrow that road is. Credit where it’s due to the 65 drivers, they have a hectic schedule.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 31, 2022 22:51:36 GMT
It's been reported they can navigate Petersham but as far as I'm aware this has only been done on deadruns. FW I'm sure are aware of how challenging the 65 is to drive in parts so it's never seen LTs. I see. It was definitely a route that was crying out for open boarding (at the time) over the 267. The SPs do still struggle in Petersham especially with the odd car driver that does not understand how narrow that road is. Credit where it’s due to the 65 drivers, they have a hectic schedule. Doesn't bode well for the longer EVs does it.
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Post by sleckdeck on Jan 31, 2022 22:53:01 GMT
I see. It was definitely a route that was crying out for open boarding (at the time) over the 267. The SPs do still struggle in Petersham especially with the odd car driver that does not understand how narrow that road is. Credit where it’s due to the 65 drivers, they have a hectic schedule. Doesn't bode well for the longer EVs does it. I have been on the EVs twice and they are very nice buses, although not in the Petersham area. I did watch one struggle quite badly (I was on the SP behind from Kingston which caught up to that EV by the Sainsburys). Although the EVs definitely carry crush loads a lot more from what it seems.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 31, 2022 23:08:52 GMT
It wouldn’t surprise me due to TfLs significant financial crisis, though the 65 is one of those routes that TFL wouldn’t be able to axe due to running on its own in several areas. It is also a key trunk route, a bit like the SW 263 Personally, I'd liken it to the West London 109, busy almost end to end and has to fight through some traffic filled areas along the way. The only difference is the 109 has actual assistance for at least two thirds of it's routing
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Post by rj131 on Jan 31, 2022 23:16:03 GMT
It is also a key trunk route, a bit like the SW 263 Personally, I'd liken it to the West London 109, busy almost end to end and has to fight through some traffic filled areas along the way. The only difference is the 109 has actual assistance for at least two thirds of it's routing It doesn’t bare thinking about how the 109 would be if the 250 didn’t exist!
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Post by Frenzie on Jan 31, 2022 23:28:58 GMT
I am on about the 4 lane conversion on Kew Bridge, the 65 rarely gets caught up in traffic now. In fact weirdly enough I’d avoid using the 267 back home from Twickenham and instead board a 65 as it’s surprisingly the route to avoid traffic. I would also say that the rush hour loads from the South Ealing to Richmond section is a bit concerning as some 65s would be unable to carry any more passengers after Great West Road with most passengers aiming to reach Richmond. The improvements on the bridge are a step in the right direction but the 65 still can get very congested, Petersham is a notorious bottleneck with the weight of traffic going through there, Richmond can get nasty and Kingston has general town centre delays. I think that bottleneck in Petersham should be closed to all traffic other than buses between 7-10 am and 3-7 pm. It would speed up journeys so much on the route.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 31, 2022 23:44:43 GMT
The improvements on the bridge are a step in the right direction but the 65 still can get very congested, Petersham is a notorious bottleneck with the weight of traffic going through there, Richmond can get nasty and Kingston has general town centre delays. I think that bottleneck in Petersham should be closed to all traffic other than buses between 7-10 am and 3-7 pm. It would speed up journeys so much on the route. I wouldn’t ban traffic through Petersham, it’s a rather isolated community in terms of traffic routes in and out so that would negatively affect residents in quite a detrimental way. I’d only go as far as to restrict HGVs and delivery vans from Amazon, Hermes etc at certain times of the day. If you banned traffic then drivers would have to go all the way back to Kingston across the river and through East Twickenham to Richmond or up the A3 and through East Sheen. It would just displace the problem rather than solve it.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 31, 2022 23:49:57 GMT
Personally, I'd liken it to the West London 109, busy almost end to end and has to fight through some traffic filled areas along the way. The only difference is the 109 has actual assistance for at least two thirds of it's routing It doesn’t bare thinking about how the 109 would be if the 250 didn’t exist! Not just the 250 as the 250 itself isn't exactly quiet - that corridor is just ridiculous in terms of what it needs and to think it will most likely be targeted for cuts as well.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 31, 2022 23:57:19 GMT
The improvements on the bridge are a step in the right direction but the 65 still can get very congested, Petersham is a notorious bottleneck with the weight of traffic going through there, Richmond can get nasty and Kingston has general town centre delays. I think that bottleneck in Petersham should be closed to all traffic other than buses between 7-10 am and 3-7 pm. It would speed up journeys so much on the route. This would probably end up being counterproductive as you'd just be pushing traffic into Richmond Park (would not go down well) or over the river into Twickenham and the A310. Sadly there's no clear solution for Petersham's problems unless the residents with enormous front gardens protruding into the road agree to knock down their walls (never going to happen).
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Post by dashing0ne on Feb 1, 2022 6:50:06 GMT
It wouldn’t surprise me due to TfLs significant financial crisis, though the 65 is one of those routes that TFL wouldn’t be able to axe due to running on its own in several areas. I took the 65 on Sunday (mainly to have an SP ride) and it was full on the top deck by the time we left Kingston to head to Richmond. Same was when I used the route (also to ride an SP and combine Kew walk)three weeks ago at the start of January on a spare weekday, it was jammed full by the time we left Kingston. I noticed lots of middle aged people use the route perhaps its due to its connections to beuatiful Richmond, Richmond Park and Kew Gardens? The route is very scenic as well. I do think extending the 71 to help loads to Ham and even to Richmond is a good idea given the short length of the route and easy ab ility to cope with an extension; later as an extra effect the E1 would support the 65 in its northern section.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 1, 2022 7:16:08 GMT
It is also a key trunk route, a bit like the SW 263 Personally, I'd liken it to the West London 109, busy almost end to end and has to fight through some traffic filled areas along the way. The only difference is the 109 has actual assistance for at least two thirds of it's routing Hopefully it doesn’t have as bad passengers as the 109 ;D
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