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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 1, 2022 18:45:56 GMT
Is this arrangement with the 142 a long term problem, or just while electrification works take place at BT? As SO required the N5 to move in temporarily when chargers were installed there. With the 13, the night service balances the combined PVR down to 18 - while the 142/642 is 19. Also consider that the 340's PVR is 4 less than the 251. No idea but even when the area where the chargers are will be cleared there is still alot of room that has been taken up in the garage. Even if that to be the case regarding PVRs, if we are getting the VMHs are longer than the ADEs and the BCEs are longer than VHs and have a longer wheelbase and the chargers are scattered all over the garage. Before anyone tried tell me it's not that much difference etc in a garage in the shape of BT trust me it's going to be a nightmare. ATM most of the 125s buses are the ones parked in the station, obviously when the BCEs come they are going to have to be in the garage. I only do earlies and I have seen what the garage is like at 4am, you barely have space to walk between the buses much less manoeuvre the vehicles themselves. Anyway fun times ahead. If the 340 definitely can't fit, the best option would probably be to move the 79 to RP, which would also compensate for the H17 loss there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 6:53:01 GMT
Nice work by this RATP driver
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 2, 2022 7:19:07 GMT
Nice work by this RATP driver Shame he isn’t even in a uniform and he completely ignored the woman who just walked through the rear door without paying. Frankly it just shows the utter shambles that RATP is in right now. Also you should never tackle a drug user yourself, they can be unpredictable. What he should have done is pull the bus over and ask NMCC to contact the police to meet the bus at the next stop.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2022 7:44:57 GMT
Nice work by this RATP driver I wondered who was who at first, the drivers lack of uniform and the passenger doesn't really look like your typical druggie. Whoever filmed this and put it on social media probably hasn't done the driver any favours, this isn't how the big red book tells you to deal with problem passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 7:51:08 GMT
Nice work by this RATP driver Shame he isn’t even in a uniform and he completely ignored the woman who just walked through the rear door without paying. Frankly it just shows the utter shambles that RATP is in right now. Also you should never tackle a drug user yourself, they can be unpredictable. What he should have done is pull the bus over and ask NMCC to contact the police to meet the bus at the next stop. Would you have preferred it to carry on ? What has uniform got to do with it ? Good on the driver looking after his passengers.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 2, 2022 7:58:03 GMT
Shame he isn’t even in a uniform and he completely ignored the woman who just walked through the rear door without paying. Frankly it just shows the utter shambles that RATP is in right now. Also you should never tackle a drug user yourself, they can be unpredictable. What he should have done is pull the bus over and ask NMCC to contact the police to meet the bus at the next stop. Would you have preferred it to carry on ? What has uniform got to do with it ? Good on the driver looking after his passengers. There is zero context to this. Perhaps he was a diabetic taking his insulin, perhaps it was a B12 shot. The driver acting like a thug without following set procedures puts his passengers at greater risk. It’s foolish and could have resulted in a much larger incident. What if the guy had a knife and slashed the driver or injected him with a used needle. The aftermath of that is not pretty, you have to undergo several tests over many months to determine if you don’t have HIV. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn the driver gets disciplined for failing to follow correct procedures in the situation. If he wants to be a bouncer he should stand outside a nightclub but what he did could have resulted in more harm than good. A potential assault charge and being threatened by an unstable suspected drug user shouldn’t be a drivers responsibility. It’s unhinged to think what he did was right, when there are a lot of problems here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 7:59:28 GMT
Would you have preferred it to carry on ? What has uniform got to do with it ? Good on the driver looking after his passengers. There is zero context to this. Perhaps he was a diabetic taking his insulin, perhaps it was a B12 shot. The driver acting like a thug without following set procedures puts his passengers at greater risk. It’s foolish and could have resulted in a much larger incident. What if the guy had a knife and slashed the driver or injected him with a used needle. The aftermath of that is not pretty, you have to undergo several tests over many months to determine if you don’t have HIV. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn the driver gets disciplined for failing to follow correct procedures in the situation. If he wants to be a bouncer he should stand outside a nightclub but what he did could have resulted in more harm than good. A potential assault charge and being threatened by an unstable suspected drug user shouldn’t be a drivers responsibility. It’s unhinged to think what he did was right, when there are a lot of problems here. I think you’re the one whose unhinged.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 2, 2022 8:08:40 GMT
There is zero context to this. Perhaps he was a diabetic taking his insulin, perhaps it was a B12 shot. The driver acting like a thug without following set procedures puts his passengers at greater risk. It’s foolish and could have resulted in a much larger incident. What if the guy had a knife and slashed the driver or injected him with a used needle. The aftermath of that is not pretty, you have to undergo several tests over many months to determine if you don’t have HIV. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn the driver gets disciplined for failing to follow correct procedures in the situation. If he wants to be a bouncer he should stand outside a nightclub but what he did could have resulted in more harm than good. A potential assault charge and being threatened by an unstable suspected drug user shouldn’t be a drivers responsibility. It’s unhinged to think what he did was right, when there are a lot of problems here. I think you’re the one whose unhinged. Why, because the driver took an unnecessary risk which on this occasion worked in his favour? This could have so easily been an entirely different situation, there is a reason why NMCC has a code red and this situation is exactly what it should be used for. Remember the ABCD. Which this driver failed to do.
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Post by dashing0ne on Sept 2, 2022 8:15:44 GMT
Well the rumours about lsoign the 251 turns out true. In place we get the 340, however don't know if that will be from BT or SO. bT makes more sense but doesn't have the space with the 13s coming aswell but we shall see. 340 is a better route for me than the 251. Pretty d*mning/disappointing set of results for RATP, yes winning the 340 is good, but that doesn’t mitigate the losses today as well as losses in prior tender results.
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Post by dashing0ne on Sept 2, 2022 8:27:08 GMT
Nice work by this RATP driver I personally do find that the driver did what he thought was best by protecting passengers from drugs however as another member said, druggies can often react in a very dangerous way putting himself and passengers at more risk. Quietly calling the police would’ve been better as it reduces that risk; the man with drugs also probably got away with having drugs when he should’ve been arrested and charged. I was recently on a 131 bus where two girls, aged around 14 years old, were seemingly drunk or maybe even on drugs, behaving unacceptably, screaming, swearing, discussing how one of them self-harmed herself (with one of the girls having cut wounds on her hand) and threatening a 3 year old passenger on the bus. You don’t necessarily have to be drunk to do the things above but behaviour really did resemble someone on alcahol or drugs. In that situation there was no action on part of the driver so seeing a driver try to help passengers and do something is nice to see; lucky the passenger with drugs listened and left without a fight.
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Post by thelondonthing on Sept 2, 2022 9:01:23 GMT
There is zero context to this. Perhaps he was a diabetic taking his insulin, perhaps it was a B12 shot. The driver acting like a thug without following set procedures puts his passengers at greater risk. It’s foolish and could have resulted in a much larger incident. What if the guy had a knife and slashed the driver or injected him with a used needle. The aftermath of that is not pretty, you have to undergo several tests over many months to determine if you don’t have HIV. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn the driver gets disciplined for failing to follow correct procedures in the situation. If he wants to be a bouncer he should stand outside a nightclub but what he did could have resulted in more harm than good. A potential assault charge and being threatened by an unstable suspected drug user shouldn’t be a drivers responsibility. It’s unhinged to think what he did was right, when there are a lot of problems here. I think you’re the one whose unhinged. I think the point here is that this kind of intervention by the driver could very easily have gone wrong. In confronting the passenger so aggressively, and becoming physically threatening to that individual, the driver did nothing positive to minimise the risk to himself and other passengers. From the short video, at least - which shows no threatening or aggressive behaviour from the passenger - it may be suggested that the driver's own actions could have escalated the situation in leaving his cab and confronting the passenger directly. Let's say, for a moment, that things had played out differently, and that we're now reading a hypothetical news article on the incident: "After repeatedly telling the man to get off the bus, the driver left his cab to confront the man directly, and began to throw his shopping off the bus and into the street. At that point, eyewitnesses reported that the man became agitated and pulled out a knife. After stabbing the driver in the chest, he attacked two more passengers as they ran towards the door..."If things had turned out that way, would the driver's actions still seem reasonable and measured? Would his decision to physically confront the man, despite the potential risk to himself and passengers, still be considered sensible and professional? It's very easy to praise such actions when everything turns out fine. But the next time a driver chooses to intervene in the same way, things might not go so well. And that's the point: the driver in this latest incident was very fortunate that things didn't go wrong. The next driver who decides to do the same thing might not be so lucky. That's precisely the reason that there are staff rules and guidelines for dealing with problem passengers. Those rules are there to protect drivers and ensure their safety, as well as that of their passengers. I don't personally see anything commendable about the driver's actions in that video.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2022 9:21:42 GMT
Nice work by this RATP driver I personally do find that the driver did what he thought was best by protecting passengers from drugs however as another member said, druggies can often react in a very dangerous way putting himself and passengers at more risk. Quietly calling the police would’ve been better as it reduces that risk; the man with drugs also probably got away with having drugs when he should’ve been arrested and charged. I was recently on a 131 bus where two girls, aged around 14 years old, were seemingly drunk or maybe even on drugs, behaving unacceptably, screaming, swearing, discussing how one of them self-harmed herself (with one of the girls having cut wounds on her hand) and threatening a 3 year old passenger on the bus. You don’t necessarily have to be drunk to do the things above but behaviour really did resemble someone on alcahol or drugs. In that situation there was no action on part of the driver so seeing a driver try to help passengers and do something is nice to see; lucky the passenger with drugs listened and left without a fight. To be honest I wouldn't read too much into clips like this on social media, they rarely show the full story as is the case here. Obviously we don't know what lead up to this incident or whether there were drugs involved. The rules for drivers are clear on this sort of thing, stay in the cab and call for assistance and this driver may well find himself in trouble.
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Post by Volvo on Sept 2, 2022 9:30:03 GMT
340 is coming to BT confirmed by manager this morning.
Also currently buses for the 303 are also going to be parked overnight at the Golf Course.
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Post by TB123 on Sept 2, 2022 9:35:26 GMT
340 is coming to BT confirmed by manager this morning. Also currently buses for the 303 are also going to be parked overnight at the Golf Course. What golf course is that?
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Post by kmkcheng on Sept 2, 2022 10:16:24 GMT
340 is coming to BT confirmed by manager this morning. Also currently buses for the 303 are also going to be parked overnight at the Golf Course. What golf course is that? I think it’s the Lost Jungle golf course on the A41 just before M1 J4. I recall last month’s TLB mentioning they were also using SM to park the excess buses as well. Is that still going on?
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