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Post by TB123 on Nov 30, 2023 20:51:38 GMT
Just a thought, will RATP actually have enough electric DDs to retain all of their electric decker routes currently up for tender (49, 65, 94, 281 and 371D)? It has been reported here that RATP are bidding for the 65 with a PVR of 30, an increase of 2 from now. The 281 will also very likely need an extra bus for its short extension across Tolworth Roundabout, and they might want to add another bus like they are doing with the 65. All of the spare BCEs have been used up on the SL9 and SL10, so surely there won't be enough BCEs unless one of those routes is lost, or the 28 is lost and the 295 converts to OMEs. Hadn't seen the 65 was going up to 30 buses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 20:54:19 GMT
It has been reported here that RATP are bidding for the 65 with a PVR of 30, an increase of 2 from now. Is it a variation put in by RATP or have TfL stepped in and increased the PVR before sending the ITT out?
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Post by rj131 on Nov 30, 2023 20:57:31 GMT
Just a thought, will RATP actually have enough electric DDs to retain all of their electric decker routes currently up for tender (49, 65, 94, 281 and 371D)? It has been reported here that RATP are bidding for the 65 with a PVR of 30, an increase of 2 from now. The 281 will also very likely need an extra bus for its short extension across Tolworth Roundabout, and they might want to add another bus like they are doing with the 65. All of the spare BCEs have been used up on the SL9 and SL10, so surely there won't be enough BCEs unless one of those routes is lost, or the 28 is lost and the 295 converts to OMEs. I think bidding with 30 PVR would be a very very sensible move, to try and get tame the erraticness of the 65
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 30, 2023 21:02:41 GMT
Just a thought, will RATP actually have enough electric DDs to retain all of their electric decker routes currently up for tender (49, 65, 94, 281 and 371D)? It has been reported here that RATP are bidding for the 65 with a PVR of 30, an increase of 2 from now. The 281 will also very likely need an extra bus for its short extension across Tolworth Roundabout, and they might want to add another bus like they are doing with the 65. All of the spare BCEs have been used up on the SL9 and SL10, so surely there won't be enough BCEs unless one of those routes is lost, or the 28 is lost and the 295 converts to OMEs. I think bidding with 30 PVR would be a very very sensible move, to try and get tame the erraticness of the 65 Issue becomes when a competitive operator offers a lower PVR.
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 30, 2023 21:13:01 GMT
I think bidding with 30 PVR would be a very very sensible move, to try and get tame the erraticness of the 65 Issue becomes when a competitive operator offers a lower PVR. However would Abellio or Metroline have space for a PVR of 28-30?
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Post by TB123 on Nov 30, 2023 21:14:51 GMT
I think bidding with 30 PVR would be a very very sensible move, to try and get tame the erraticness of the 65 Issue becomes when a competitive operator offers a lower PVR. Dosen't matter from RATPs view. It's a loss-making tender, so even if they lose it they will see a clear benefit to the business. Presumably they think it best to bid for work on a sustainable path with more robust schedules. Sensible enough to me.
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Post by rj131 on Nov 30, 2023 21:15:13 GMT
I think bidding with 30 PVR would be a very very sensible move, to try and get tame the erraticness of the 65 Issue becomes when a competitive operator offers a lower PVR. As ADH just mentioned, I think they know they can be slightly complacent here. Metroline and Abellio have nowhere to house it, and tbh I don’t even think they’ll want it as it’s just such a pain in the a**, I think a retention is a near dead cert tbh
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 30, 2023 21:21:36 GMT
Just a thought, will RATP actually have enough electric DDs to retain all of their electric decker routes currently up for tender (49, 65, 94, 281 and 371D)? It has been reported here that RATP are bidding for the 65 with a PVR of 30, an increase of 2 from now. The 281 will also very likely need an extra bus for its short extension across Tolworth Roundabout, and they might want to add another bus like they are doing with the 65. All of the spare BCEs have been used up on the SL9 and SL10, so surely there won't be enough BCEs unless one of those routes is lost, or the 28 is lost and the 295 converts to OMEs. If RATP do retain all of these routes, perhaps they might order a new batch for one of them, then transfer the current allocation to other garages as required. Some existing BCEs could also be useful to retain a route requiring a newer allocation, or a new route gain?
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Post by abellion on Nov 30, 2023 21:25:55 GMT
Just a thought, will RATP actually have enough electric DDs to retain all of their electric decker routes currently up for tender (49, 65, 94, 281 and 371D)? It has been reported here that RATP are bidding for the 65 with a PVR of 30, an increase of 2 from now. The 281 will also very likely need an extra bus for its short extension across Tolworth Roundabout, and they might want to add another bus like they are doing with the 65. All of the spare BCEs have been used up on the SL9 and SL10, so surely there won't be enough BCEs unless one of those routes is lost, or the 28 is lost and the 295 converts to OMEs. The 28 being lost will be a surprise considering that it has existing buses and is an absolutely horrific route to deal with , I’m not too well informed on the financial side of things but why would any garage want a route like that??
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Post by paulo on Nov 30, 2023 21:58:54 GMT
Just a thought, will RATP actually have enough electric DDs to retain all of their electric decker routes currently up for tender (49, 65, 94, 281 and 371D)? It has been reported here that RATP are bidding for the 65 with a PVR of 30, an increase of 2 from now. The 281 will also very likely need an extra bus for its short extension across Tolworth Roundabout, and they might want to add another bus like they are doing with the 65. All of the spare BCEs have been used up on the SL9 and SL10, so surely there won't be enough BCEs unless one of those routes is lost, or the 28 is lost and the 295 converts to OMEs. The 28 being lost will be a surprise considering that it has existing buses and is an absolutely horrific route to deal with , I’m not too well informed on the financial side of things but why would any garage want a route like that?? I’m not convinced they will retain the 49. There will be some VHs coming spare from the 481 loss so it may well be those that are used to top up the 65 and/or 281 although I appreciate they are not electric of course.
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 30, 2023 22:07:09 GMT
There will be some VHs coming spare from the 481 loss so it may well be those that are used to top up the 65 and/or 281 although I appreciate they are not electric of course. I don't think TfL would permit the 65 or 281 to partially convert back to hybrids. I reckon those VHs will go to TV to get rid of the last few ADEs that are on the 293D, 467 and 655 (the ones on the 258, 266 and H98 will all be gone soon as those routes are up for tender).
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Post by yunus on Nov 30, 2023 23:16:25 GMT
There will be some VHs coming spare from the 481 loss so it may well be those that are used to top up the 65 and/or 281 although I appreciate they are not electric of course. I don't think TfL would permit the 65 or 281 to partially convert back to hybrids. I reckon those VHs will go to TV to get rid of the last few ADEs that are on the 293D, 467 and 655 (the ones on the 258, 266 and H98 will all be gone soon as those routes are up for tender). The ADEs also are frequent to run on the 406 / 418 despite they are allocated Hybrids? Any idea what the last route with ADEs will be?
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Post by COBO on Nov 30, 2023 23:20:39 GMT
I don't think TfL would permit the 65 or 281 to partially convert back to hybrids. I reckon those VHs will go to TV to get rid of the last few ADEs that are on the 293D, 467 and 655 (the ones on the 258, 266 and H98 will all be gone soon as those routes are up for tender). The ADEs also are frequent to run on the 406 / 418 despite they are allocated Hybrids? Any idea what the last route with ADEs will be? I don’t think anyone will know at this moment.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 1, 2023 0:14:51 GMT
There will be some VHs coming spare from the 481 loss so it may well be those that are used to top up the 65 and/or 281 although I appreciate they are not electric of course. I don't think TfL would permit the 65 or 281 to partially convert back to hybrids. I reckon those VHs will go to TV to get rid of the last few ADEs that are on the 293D, 467 and 655 (the ones on the 258, 266 and H98 will all be gone soon as those routes are up for tender). It should be noted that both the 65 & 281 were awarded with electrics but that hybrids would work certain journeys so adding a couple of VH's onto an existing electric allocation should be plausible in comparison to simply converting a full allocation back to hybrids.
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Post by Gary on Dec 1, 2023 19:19:53 GMT
Just 5 DLE’s from the K3 batch left to return. I wonder what will happen to 61 and 330 - I think 61 was once a spare for 411? 330 has floated around and I believe spent some time at FW so may head back there. 61 may stay at WK?
Today, it was AV’s turn to help with DE20110 on 235 briefly. Normally it’s the other way around, with WK helping AV when they are short of buses. Maybe 330 will end up at AV.
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