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Post by rj131 on May 5, 2024 20:59:44 GMT
I think it all depends on RATPs strategy. Putting the OMEs on the 28 didn't exactly help RATP retain the route, instead it went to Metroline with diesels, so they may choose to bid on the 414 with the existing hybrids. That might make the bid cheaper and help retain the route. Yes, the ADHs will be oldish, but they were given the green light for 7 years in 2020 for the current 414 contract, and the new upcoming tender is only likely to be for three years. The extra OMEs can arguably always go on the 13, though that may be subject to similar considerations if the the break clause on it is invoked. Choices, choices! I wouldn't be surprised if they just allocate them to the 295, then release the BCEs elsewhere as required. A small number for PVR increases at FW, and the rest maybe for upcoming tender awards? As I’ve mentioned before this wouldn’t be allowed. They can’t just replace its contractual allocation of new vehicles with older existing ones, just for operational convenience
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Post by driver88 on May 5, 2024 21:07:41 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if they just allocate them to the 295, then release the BCEs elsewhere as required. A small number for PVR increases at FW, and the rest maybe for upcoming tender awards? As I’ve mentioned before this wouldn’t be allowed. They can’t just replace its contractual allocation of new vehicles with older existing ones, just for operational convenience Yet the 49 has done just that. Where does it say it isn't allowed? Lol
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Post by rj131 on May 5, 2024 21:09:37 GMT
As I’ve mentioned before this wouldn’t be allowed. They can’t just replace its contractual allocation of new vehicles with older existing ones, just for operational convenience Yet the 49 has done just that. Where does it say it isn't allowed? Lol What has the 49 done? It hasn’t changed
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 21:12:38 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if they just allocate them to the 295, then release the BCEs elsewhere as required. A small number for PVR increases at FW, and the rest maybe for upcoming tender awards? As I’ve mentioned before this wouldn’t be allowed. They can’t just replace its contractual allocation of new vehicles with older existing ones, just for operational convenience It would probably only be 3 of them and TFL may allow it if it kept down the cost of the 65s tender.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 5, 2024 21:25:04 GMT
Yet the 49 has done just that. Where does it say it isn't allowed? Lol What has the 49 done? It hasn’t changed It has, the majority of its allocation is now ex-94 69-reg BCE. It was awarded with brand new 71-reg BCE.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 21:26:39 GMT
What has the 49 done? It hasn’t changed It has, the majority of its allocation is now ex-94 69-reg BCE. It was awarded with brand new 71-reg BCE. I wonder why that is when they are near enough the same as the ones on from the 94 and neither batches are high spec.
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Post by londonbuses on May 5, 2024 21:30:34 GMT
It has, the majority of its allocation is now ex-94 69-reg BCE. It was awarded with brand new 71-reg BCE. I wonder why that is when they are near enough the same as the ones on from the 94 and neither batches are high spec. 69-reg have paper blinds, 71-reg have LED blinds.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 21:37:47 GMT
I wonder why that is when they are near enough the same as the ones on from the 94 and neither batches are high spec. 69-reg have paper blinds, 71-reg have LED blinds. But surely that wouldn't make them more desired for the 94.
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Post by M1104 on May 5, 2024 21:38:28 GMT
Not seen anything on here today regarding the OMEs off the 28? Looking on LVF they don’t seem to have moved to another route? Perhaps they'll show up from Tuesday (Monday being the May Day Bank Holiday)
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Post by londonbuses on May 5, 2024 21:39:30 GMT
69-reg have paper blinds, 71-reg have LED blinds. But surely that wouldn't make them more desired for the 94. The 94 has had massive PVR cuts so the 49 uses a load of the ex-94 69-reg BCEs and a few of its original 71-reg ones. The rest of the 71-reg BCEs have been used on the SL9 and SL10, which both needed quite a few extra buses for the Superloop scheme.
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Post by rj131 on May 5, 2024 21:43:10 GMT
What has the 49 done? It hasn’t changed It has, the majority of its allocation is now ex-94 69-reg BCE. It was awarded with brand new 71-reg BCE. Ahhhhh I was thought the OP was talking about a change that happened recently, the 49 has had that allocation for quite a while. In which case to answer the OPs question that was when some spares went to the SL10. X had 6 or so spare BCEs from the 94’s PVR cut, so they went to SO to top up the vehicles needed. In which case this was a case of extra resources being needed, and TfL would have orchestrated the vehicles that would be used on it
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 21:47:50 GMT
But surely that wouldn't make them more desired for the 94. The 94 has had massive PVR cuts so the 49 uses a load of the ex-94 69-reg BCEs and a few of its original 71-reg ones. The rest of the 71-reg BCEs have been used on the SL9 and SL10, which both needed quite a few extra buses for the Superloop scheme. Oh I see..sorry I was getting confused thinking the BCEs for the 49 were on the 94. No doubt the power blinds made moving them easier.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 6, 2024 3:22:09 GMT
The 452 PVR is lower than the 28s so will be around 3 spares after this, so it is entirely possible that the 414 could see a small part allocation, there have been OME workings on the 414 so would make sense if they put the remaining 3 on the 414. I speculate that they will probably fully allocate the OMEs to route 414 while the remaining will be used to replace the 452's VDWs. It would let RTP get rid of the old vehicles they have like the VDWs and ADHs that are close to reaching their 15 year old limit. Alternatively, they could redraw their allocation where maybe route 414 would use VMHs, WHs, and OMEs (In small amounts like you referred to), while the 452 would get fully allocated with OMEs instead. If the OMEs do convert route 414, the 12 reg ADHs could replace older examples on route E3. For good measure, this may increase RATP's chances of retaining route 414.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 6, 2024 7:02:59 GMT
I speculate that they will probably fully allocate the OMEs to route 414 while the remaining will be used to replace the 452's VDWs. It would let RTP get rid of the old vehicles they have like the VDWs and ADHs that are close to reaching their 15 year old limit. Alternatively, they could redraw their allocation where maybe route 414 would use VMHs, WHs, and OMEs (In small amounts like you referred to), while the 452 would get fully allocated with OMEs instead. If the OMEs do convert route 414, the 12 reg ADHs could replace older examples on route E3. For good measure, this may increase RATP's chances of retaining route 414. Still depends if TFL are asking for longer contracts for the handed back routes. Bar the earlier awards (28/306/C3) all have been 3 years which probably wouldn't be worth using newer buses on. The 452 on the other hand could be an award next year for 7 years.
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Post by yunus on May 6, 2024 13:24:04 GMT
Why have the 28s former Electrics not been used since the route has moved to Metroline?
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