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Post by JUNIOR26 on Oct 30, 2024 17:28:13 GMT
As confirmed on lbr.net, the 18 will be using 39 vehicles on its new contract. Um has it been confirmed how long the contract will be Not yet. |
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 30, 2024 19:14:45 GMT
As confirmed on lbr.net, the 18 will be using 39 vehicles on its new contract. Um has it been confirmed how long the contract will be Won’t be longer than 5 years as there’s the 2030 electric deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a 3 year contract like other current existing bus bids |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 30, 2024 19:21:50 GMT
Um has it been confirmed how long the contract will be Won’t be longer than 5 years as there’s the 2030 electric deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a 3 year contract like other current existing bus bids Unless they come to a deal to electrify it! The bus type wasn’t even confirmed, they could end up offloading the hybrids once RATP find out what’s going on with RP |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 31, 2024 10:51:07 GMT
Um has it been confirmed how long the contract will be Won’t be longer than 5 years as there’s the 2030 electric deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a 3 year contract like other current existing bus bids To be honest I don't see it being even three years long. RATP must have pulled a blinder on the price as they knew TfL would have had no other option but to agree to a temporary contract, so I can't imagine TfL will want to run this contract for any longer than they absolutely have to. I personally see the contract ending in October 2025, tying in with the 224, 452 and surrendered 220. Then the 220 would go to V using ex 18 VHs, 18 to RP using OMEs and new vehicles, and 224 lost to Metroline. 452 retained with hybrids, VDWs and WHs ousted by ex 18 vehicles. RP mothballed until lease ends, they'd still have to pay lease payments but it may well be more cost effective to mothball it, preventing a competitor from using the site and also there would be no operational costs. |
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Post by jake on Oct 31, 2024 14:28:18 GMT
is the only reason why the 226 went to edgware because RP wasn't electrified
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 31, 2024 14:39:41 GMT
BCE47108 had returned earlier this week after a few months away after its accident with the standard red bodywork around the front blind box instead of the white superloop wrap.
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Post by Dad91 on Oct 31, 2024 14:56:33 GMT
Won’t be longer than 5 years as there’s the 2030 electric deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a 3 year contract like other current existing bus bids To be honest I don't see it being even three years long. RATP must have pulled a blinder on the price as they knew TfL would have had no other option but to agree to a temporary contract, so I can't imagine TfL will want to run this contract for any longer than they absolutely have to. I personally see the contract ending in October 2025, tying in with the 224, 452 and surrendered 220. Then the 220 would go to V using ex 18 VHs, 18 to RP using OMEs and new vehicles, and 224 lost to Metroline. 452 retained with hybrids, VDWs and WHs ousted by ex 18 vehicles. RP mothballed until lease ends, they'd still have to pay lease payments but it may well be more cost effective to mothball it, preventing a competitor from using the site and also there would be no operational costs. saw LBR update 18 PVR 39 say Vehicles not confirmed!. What buses they getting |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 31, 2024 16:05:18 GMT
is the only reason why the 226 went to edgware because RP wasn't electrified I assume so, but when the 226's tender result was first announced, it was initially confirmed to be going to RP. So at one point, RATP clearly had plans to electrify the garage. Must have been an issue to do with the lease of the site (and potential redevelopment), with RATP deciding it wasn't worth wiring up with this uncertainty. Likely the same with other garages like MG (the 108 was originally due to stay there with the SEes). I wouldn't be surprised if the 226 does eventually move to another garage, particularly if Stamford Brook gets electrified. If RP were the close, the 226 would likely be the only realistic way to free up more space at London Sovereign. Or the 226 could go to S (using chargers from the 49's cut), if walking from the garage to the Central Line is a reasonable changeover arrangement. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 31, 2024 16:31:40 GMT
Won’t be longer than 5 years as there’s the 2030 electric deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a 3 year contract like other current existing bus bids To be honest I don't see it being even three years long. RATP must have pulled a blinder on the price as they knew TfL would have had no other option but to agree to a temporary contract, so I can't imagine TfL will want to run this contract for any longer than they absolutely have to. I personally see the contract ending in October 2025, tying in with the 224, 452 and surrendered 220. Then the 220 would go to V using ex 18 VHs, 18 to RP using OMEs and new vehicles, and 224 lost to Metroline. 452 retained with hybrids, VDWs and WHs ousted by ex 18 vehicles. RP mothballed until lease ends, they'd still have to pay lease payments but it may well be more cost effective to mothball it, preventing a competitor from using the site and also there would be no operational costs. I think the 18's new contract could be for 2-3 years. Routes like the 452 are due to be announced quite soon, so TFL would likely need to have already invited bids for another tender for the 18 in your scenario. The issue with RATP bidding highly for the 18 was inevitable (with Metroline unlikely to be willing to move routes around to accommodate the 18), and there are plenty of other examples where a route is unlikely to have competition, either due to PVR/capacity or garage location. It definitely doesn't help that the number of operators in London has reduced over recent years (as well as individual garage closures). A few years ago you would have at least had Tower Transit competing with RATP on the 18, and going back further First and Metroline could have both bid. Plus operators generally have started to be more selective with which routes they bid for, even if there is the garage space etc available. The 205 is another good example, on previous tenders it could have received bids from 6 operators. But now X/HK/LI have been acquired by other operators, plus AE closed and it's uncertain if Metroline will keep KC in the long term. And if the 205 gets rerouted to Marble Arch, this may also rule out a potential bid from Westbourne Park, possibly leaving just Stagecoach. |
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Post by COBO on Oct 31, 2024 17:27:12 GMT
Hmm if the rerouting of the 224 goes ahead it wouldn’t be that far from Hanger Lane Station. Bodium Way and Park Royal stops is just 12 minutes from Hanger Lane Station. RATP could operate the 224 from S or V if the rerouting goes ahead.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 31, 2024 17:36:50 GMT
Hmm if the rerouting of the 224 goes ahead it wouldn’t be that far from Hanger Lane Station. Bodium Way and Park Royal stops is just 12 minutes from Hanger Lane Station. RATP could operate the 224 from S or V if the rerouting goes ahead. They could already run it from V anyway using the tube to Alperton. That said, I doubt RATP would bid to retain the 224 if RP doesn't stay open. |
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Post by i3lu on Oct 31, 2024 17:37:08 GMT
is the only reason why the 226 went to edgware because RP wasn't electrified I assume so, but when the 226's tender result was first announced, it was initially confirmed to be going to RP. So at one point, RATP clearly had plans to electrify the garage. Must have been an issue to do with the lease of the site (and potential redevelopment), with RATP deciding it wasn't worth wiring up with this uncertainty. Likely the same with other garages like MG (the 108 was originally due to stay there with the SEes). I wouldn't be surprised if the 226 does eventually move to another garage, particularly if Stamford Brook gets electrified. If RP were the close, the 226 would likely be the only realistic way to free up more space at London Sovereign. Or the 226 could go to S (using chargers from the 49's cut), if walking from the garage to the Central Line is a reasonable changeover arrangement. Wasn't the 226 meant to go X with the 13 returning to BT initially? |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 31, 2024 17:53:03 GMT
I assume so, but when the 226's tender result was first announced, it was initially confirmed to be going to RP. So at one point, RATP clearly had plans to electrify the garage. Must have been an issue to do with the lease of the site (and potential redevelopment), with RATP deciding it wasn't worth wiring up with this uncertainty. Likely the same with other garages like MG (the 108 was originally due to stay there with the SEes). I wouldn't be surprised if the 226 does eventually move to another garage, particularly if Stamford Brook gets electrified. If RP were the close, the 226 would likely be the only realistic way to free up more space at London Sovereign. Or the 226 could go to S (using chargers from the 49's cut), if walking from the garage to the Central Line is a reasonable changeover arrangement. Wasn't the 226 meant to go X with the 13 returning to BT initially? That was also a plan at one point. But I think the original tender announcement did state that the 226 had been won out of RP. The 13 was mentioned once it was established that Park Royal wasn't going to be wired up. And part of the reason for moving either the 13 or 226 to BT was to maintain work at Edgware for the ex-142 drivers. |
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Post by mrhk on Oct 31, 2024 18:10:59 GMT
I assume so, but when the 226's tender result was first announced, it was initially confirmed to be going to RP. So at one point, RATP clearly had plans to electrify the garage. Must have been an issue to do with the lease of the site (and potential redevelopment), with RATP deciding it wasn't worth wiring up with this uncertainty. Likely the same with other garages like MG (the 108 was originally due to stay there with the SEes). I wouldn't be surprised if the 226 does eventually move to another garage, particularly if Stamford Brook gets electrified. If RP were the close, the 226 would likely be the only realistic way to free up more space at London Sovereign. Or the 226 could go to S (using chargers from the 49's cut), if walking from the garage to the Central Line is a reasonable changeover arrangement. Wasn't the 226 meant to go X with the 13 returning to BT initially? No idea if this was true but I did hear speculation about 13 going to BT. Even then, X could house both routes. |
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Post by COBO on Oct 31, 2024 18:12:40 GMT
Wasn't the 226 meant to go X with the 13 returning to BT initially? No idea if this was true but I did hear speculation about 13 going to BT. Even then, X could house both routes. Could x house both routes? |
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