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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 14:01:50 GMT
The days of the free consessionary bus pass seemed to be numberered as the costs escalate out of control. Afurther problem is shortfulls in the revenues is having to be made up by fares increases which drives the profitable fare passengers away
Further problems are the 20% reduction in the fuel rebate and the Goverments £100M reduction in funding support for the schemes
An idea of how much of the cost is loaded on to fares can be found from some HCC data. Concessionary travel amounts to about 34% of journeys but brings in only 24% of revenues so there is a 10% shortfull. Full fare paying passengers account for only about 40% of journey so it adds about 23% to fares
The concessionary fares also starve public transport of investment which further discourages use of it
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Post by jay38a on Mar 26, 2011 14:20:41 GMT
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Remember the number of voters who are OAPs, if any government try's to remove it, you can tell that they won't be getting the OAPs vote. Also remember they have paid there own taxes etc so deserve free travel (well that's my view). If I was an OAP or disabled I wouldn't be to pleased if my free travel was taken away. Plus this government has pledged to keep it.
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Post by smiler52 on Mar 26, 2011 21:17:02 GMT
bob what have you been told about posting things with out a link to back it up
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2011 9:58:13 GMT
bob Remember the number of voters who are OAPs, if any government Tory's to remove it, you can tell that they won't be getting the OAPs vote. Also remember they have paid there own taxes etc so deserve free travel (well that's my view). If I was an OAP or disabled I wouldn't be to pleased if my free travel was taken away. Plus this government has pledged to keep it. It is in the same position as Public sector pensions the current scheme has become unfordable. Things being looked at it to restrict them to pensioners that have actually retired and to those paying basic tax only. Also possible on the cards is an annual charge for the passes. It may be nice for them to be free but it is no longer affordable and the £100M Westminster reduction in funding for the scheme & the 20% fuel rebate scheme is likely to be the final straw The other problem is more & more of the cost is being loaded on to fares and the bus companies are seeing fare paying passenger numbers fall which makes the situation worse as they get over 1.5 times the revenue from a fare paying passenger compared to a pass holder. This is leading to more routes becoming uneconomic and being cut back. Councils have already had to make cuts this year in supported services and there will be more cuts next year. Something has to give. There are no plans for significant changes to the disabled pass scheme other then some tightening up of current rules also if they have a car provided under the motorbility scheme they would not get a free bus pass. |
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Post by john on Apr 7, 2011 12:48:11 GMT
bob Remember the number of voters who are OAPs, if any government Tory's to remove it, you can tell that they won't be getting the OAPs vote. Also remember they have paid there own taxes etc so deserve free travel (well that's my view). If I was an OAP or disabled I wouldn't be to pleased if my free travel was taken away. Plus this government has pledged to keep it. It is in the same position as Public sector pensions the current scheme has become unfordable. Things being looked at it to restrict them to pensioners that have actually retired and to those paying basic tax only. Also possible on the cards is an annual charge for the passes. It may be nice for them to be free but it is no longer affordable and the £100M Westminster reduction in funding for the scheme & the 20% fuel rebate scheme is likely to be the final straw The other problem is more & more of the cost is being loaded on to fares and the bus companies are seeing fare paying passenger numbers fall which makes the situation worse as they get over 1.5 times the revenue from a fare paying passenger compared to a pass holder. This is leading to more routes becoming uneconomic and being cut back. Councils have already had to make cuts this year in supported services and there will be more cuts next year. Something has to give. There are no plans for significant changes to the disabled pass scheme other then some tightening up of current rules also if they have a car provided under the motorbility scheme they would not get a free bus pass. POST A LINK!!!!  You're blatant disregard for authority is now beginning to get on my nerves. If you do not post any link to any post that lists information in future, I WILL be banning you. This is your final warning!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 17:21:58 GMT
It is in the same position as Public sector pensions the current scheme has become unfordable. Things being looked at it to restrict them to pensioners that have actually retired and to those paying basic tax only. Also possible on the cards is an annual charge for the passes. It may be nice for them to be free but it is no longer affordable and the £100M Westminster reduction in funding for the scheme & the 20% fuel rebate scheme is likely to be the final straw The other problem is more & more of the cost is being loaded on to fares and the bus companies are seeing fare paying passenger numbers fall which makes the situation worse as they get over 1.5 times the revenue from a fare paying passenger compared to a pass holder. This is leading to more routes becoming uneconomic and being cut back. Councils have already had to make cuts this year in supported services and there will be more cuts next year. Something has to give. There are no plans for significant changes to the disabled pass scheme other then some tightening up of current rules also if they have a car provided under the motorbility scheme they would not get a free bus pass. POST A LINK!!!! You're blatant disregard for authority is now beginning to get on my nerves. If you do not post any link to any post that lists information in future, I WILL be banning you. This is your final warning!! This is based on facts whether you choose to like it or not. Everything does not have a URL If you want to be childish and throw a tantrum because you do not agree with a post please do All you are doing is demonstrating how immature and infantile you are So please have you child like tantrujm because you cannot have you own way |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 18:39:27 GMT
I've said it before bob is ageist he just does not like pensioners. And I've also said before pass or no pass the elderly will always travel free on my bus they've earned that right. You wanna save money then charge kids outside of traveling to and from
School, charge extra for buggys during rush hour. Get rid of the halfrate fares for benefit cheats.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 19:37:05 GMT
No matter how bad the economic problems are for the UK's bus services, concessionary passes should always remain no matter what. Elderly people generally deserve the right to travel free as they have paid taxes all their lives. Disabled people also deserve it, as they are disadvantaged enough as it is, and they often cannot drive. The government need to subsidise it more. The government should be encouraging bus operators (outside of London) to operate commercially, otherwise they will withdraw services, and an alternative service will have to operate under contract to a local council, which is not good.
In London, kids should not get free travel. Maybe on travelling to school, they should be able to pay very small amounts (i.e. 10p to 50p) or maybe even get it free, but NOT at any other time. Obviously schools and colleges have different opening/closing times, especially with colleges where some students don't have lessons all day. Maybe have reductions/free travel from 7am to 5pm. Also, as chazaroo says, make people with buggies etc pay more in peak times (although that might be difficult to sort out in terms of Oyster cards).
Chazaroo, I agree there are too many benefit cheats, but not everyone on benefits is cheating.
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Post by john on Apr 7, 2011 22:49:26 GMT
POST A LINK!!!! You're blatant disregard for authority is now beginning to get on my nerves. If you do not post any link to any post that lists information in future, I WILL be banning you. This is your final warning!! This is based on facts whether you choose to like it or not. Everything does not have a URL If you want to be childish and throw a tantrum because you do not agree with a post please do All you are doing is demonstrating how immature and infantile you are So please have you child like tantrujm because you cannot have you own way Actually, hardly any of your posts contain any link to the "facts" you're speaking of. Secondly, don't speak to any Admin or Mods in that way on the boards, keep it to PM's, that's what they're there for. Thirdly, even an 18 year old is taught at university on how to properly reference their work when quoting from other sources. I suspect you are much older than that and yet cannot quite grasp this simple concept on an online forum. Finally, I bring your attention to the announcements board. Click this link here: tangytango.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=adannounce&action=display&thread=4149(this is what you should be doing) Here you will find the reason for the staff getting on top of this issue. If you want to continue posting things like this without substantiating your arguement, then so be it. Do not, however, do it without considering the other members on this forum. It may sound petty to yourself, but others take this type of matter very seriously, including myself. If you do not agree with this, then you know where the door is. So, if you still believe this to be a childish tantrum, please take it up with another member of staff. I'm sure you'd get a much more blunt and honest answer than the one I just gave you. On a final note, you are still on your final warning!!! |
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Post by greeny253 on Apr 8, 2011 10:39:31 GMT
This is based on facts whether you choose to like it or not. Everything does not have a URL I'll just ask the question everyone else is avoiding - what facts?? |
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