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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 11, 2023 5:21:31 GMT
What's gonna happen with route 298 once Sullivan pulls out of London, will it stay with Sullivans & just become a non-TFL route or will it go to another London operator? Well, we can guarantee a service will be introduced rather than seeing three buses bunch on a daily basis. I simply do not understand how can such an operator not stick to simple schedules.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 11, 2023 5:51:41 GMT
What's gonna happen with route 298 once Sullivan pulls out of London, will it stay with Sullivans & just become a non-TFL route or will it go to another London operator? Well, we can guarantee a service will be introduced rather than seeing three buses bunch on a daily basis. I simply do not understand how can such an operator not stick to simple schedules. Potters Bar Interchange can mess up reliability real quick. The 313 bunches as well and it's a more frequent service to the 298
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 11, 2023 6:01:54 GMT
Well, we can guarantee a service will be introduced rather than seeing three buses bunch on a daily basis. I simply do not understand how can such an operator not stick to simple schedules. Potters Bar Interchange can mess up reliability real quick. The 313 bunches as well and it's a more frequent service to the 298 The 313 operates x20 minutes which is the same scheduled headways as the 298.
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Post by buston on Sept 11, 2023 6:23:34 GMT
What's gonna happen with route 298 once Sullivan pulls out of London, will it stay with Sullivans & just become a non-TFL route or will it go to another London operator? Well, we can guarantee a service will be introduced rather than seeing three buses bunch on a daily basis. I simply do not understand how can such an operator not stick to simple schedules. I'm guessing Metroline will be a likely contender with their garage at PB, along with Arriva with nearby garages too? And of course Uno. Can't see RATP or Go-Ahead bidding for it, or even Transport UK London.
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 11, 2023 6:33:28 GMT
TUK’s nearest garage is miles away.
When I used the 298 very regularly it was almost always on time, except during the evening peaks. Cockfosters Road always has traffic and the M25 can cause problems.
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Post by buston on Sept 11, 2023 6:37:52 GMT
TUK’s nearest garage is miles away. When I used the 298 very regularly it was almost always on time, except during the evening peaks. Cockfosters Road always has traffic and the M25 can cause problems. yeah i was saying TUK are too far to bid for it, as are RATP. Will be a shame though when 298 is no longer with Sullivans, despite the unreliability of the services sometimes, as i like the 'family'feel of the company along with the variety of their buses. At least there's still the 84 though and their variety is even better.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 11, 2023 7:45:13 GMT
TUK’s nearest garage is miles away. When I used the 298 very regularly it was almost always on time, except during the evening peaks. Cockfosters Road always has traffic and the M25 can cause problems. yeah i was saying TUK are too far to bid for it, as are RATP. Will be a shame though when 298 is no longer with Sullivans, despite the unreliability of the services sometimes, as i like the 'family'feel of the company along with the variety of their buses. At least there's still the 84 though and their variety is even better. Presumably bids from GAL at NP, Metroline at PB and Arriva at AD?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 11, 2023 8:13:30 GMT
yeah i was saying TUK are too far to bid for it, as are RATP. Will be a shame though when 298 is no longer with Sullivans, despite the unreliability of the services sometimes, as i like the 'family'feel of the company along with the variety of their buses. At least there's still the 84 though and their variety is even better. Presumably bids from GAL at NP, Metroline at PB and Arriva at AD? Or, as a very outside bet, Uno.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 11, 2023 12:01:49 GMT
Potters Bar Interchange can mess up reliability real quick. The 313 bunches as well and it's a more frequent service to the 298 The 313 operates x20 minutes which is the same scheduled headways as the 298. Oh. Well then there's an excuse for the 298's supposedly "poor" timekeeping
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Post by sam97 on Sept 11, 2023 13:04:42 GMT
TUK’s nearest garage is miles away. When I used the 298 very regularly it was almost always on time, except during the evening peaks. Cockfosters Road always has traffic and the M25 can cause problems. yeah i was saying TUK are too far to bid for it, as are RATP. Will be a shame though when 298 is no longer with Sullivans, despite the unreliability of the services sometimes, as i like the 'family'feel of the company along with the variety of their buses. At least there's still the 84 though and their variety is even better. It’s not too far for RATP to bid, considering they ran the 251 for time and the 298 and 251 terminate at Arnos Grove, pluse there’s the 125 as well which terminates further at winchmore hill
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Post by VWH1414 on Sept 11, 2023 13:29:20 GMT
yeah i was saying TUK are too far to bid for it, as are RATP. Will be a shame though when 298 is no longer with Sullivans, despite the unreliability of the services sometimes, as i like the 'family'feel of the company along with the variety of their buses. At least there's still the 84 though and their variety is even better. It’s not too far for RATP to bid, considering they ran the 251 for time and the 298 and 251 terminate at Arnos Grove, pluse there’s the 125 as well which terminates further at winchmore hill That’s not necessarily how it works, both the 125 & 251 went much closer to BT on their western ends. 251 terminated at Edgware, so right outside BT, making changeovers easy, likewise the 125 terminating at Colindale has meant it’s just 2 stops away on the northern line for changeovers. The 298 doesn’t go anywhere near an ideal changeover point or even really near to BT at all. Also based off them not even bidding (or having the space) for the likes of the 32, 113, 189 etc I highly doubt they’d bid for a route as far away from them as the 298, especially with their new bidding strategy.
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Post by TB123 on Sept 11, 2023 13:32:40 GMT
It’s not too far for RATP to bid, considering they ran the 251 for time and the 298 and 251 terminate at Arnos Grove, pluse there’s the 125 as well which terminates further at winchmore hill That’s not necessarily how it works, both the 125 & 251 went much closer to BT on their western ends. 251 terminated at Edgware, so right outside BT, making changeovers easy, likewise the 125 terminating at Colindale has meant it’s just 2 stops away on the northern line for changeovers. The 298 doesn’t go anywhere near an ideal changeover point or even really near to BT at all. Also based off them not even bidding (or having the space) for the likes of the 32, 113, 189 etc I highly doubt they’d bid for a route as far away from them as the 298, especially with their new bidding strategy. Need a lot of Dacia Sanderos to run the 298 from BT!
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Post by buston on Sept 11, 2023 14:23:59 GMT
That’s not necessarily how it works, both the 125 & 251 went much closer to BT on their western ends. 251 terminated at Edgware, so right outside BT, making changeovers easy, likewise the 125 terminating at Colindale has meant it’s just 2 stops away on the northern line for changeovers. The 298 doesn’t go anywhere near an ideal changeover point or even really near to BT at all. Also based off them not even bidding (or having the space) for the likes of the 32, 113, 189 etc I highly doubt they’d bid for a route as far away from them as the 298, especially with their new bidding strategy. Need a lot of Dacia Sanderos to run the 298 from BT! What's one of them when it's at home?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 11, 2023 15:48:00 GMT
That’s not necessarily how it works, both the 125 & 251 went much closer to BT on their western ends. 251 terminated at Edgware, so right outside BT, making changeovers easy, likewise the 125 terminating at Colindale has meant it’s just 2 stops away on the northern line for changeovers. The 298 doesn’t go anywhere near an ideal changeover point or even really near to BT at all. Also based off them not even bidding (or having the space) for the likes of the 32, 113, 189 etc I highly doubt they’d bid for a route as far away from them as the 298, especially with their new bidding strategy. Need a lot of Dacia Sanderos to run the 298 from BT! *in Jeremy Clarkson voice" great! Anyway...
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Post by billa on Sept 13, 2023 21:13:37 GMT
Well, we can guarantee a service will be introduced rather than seeing three buses bunch on a daily basis. I simply do not understand how can such an operator not stick to simple schedules. Potters Bar Interchange can mess up reliability real quick. The 313 bunches as well and it's a more frequent service to the 298 The issue there is the location of South Mimms Garage. If the M25 goes its much easier for Arriva to run a reduced service to Potters Bar and pull buses away from Potters Bar as the garage is in Enfield. Drivers wont have problems taking over or coming off the buses for break/finishing as generally you'll send a double or triple tripper down to PB. The inverse is true for the 298. If Sullivans controllers pull buses away from PB you immediately run into issues when drivers have to come of for their reliefs as you ideally want to keep 4 of the 5 buses inside the M25. If you have more then 1 driver coming off in any said hour then it'll likely end up with 2 or 3 buses being stuck together in PB and a wonky service between Arnos Grove and Hadley Wood
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