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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 3, 2024 8:09:10 GMT
If you go to the TfL website and check the status of any of the affected routes, you get this message
Routes 217 298 299 327 389 399 549 W9 may be subject to journey cancellations due to an operator ceasing bus operations in London.
This is unhelpfully less informative than the two emails TfL sent me last night, which said
The operator of bus routes 217, 298, 299, 327, 549 and W9 has withdrawn from running TfL Bus services in London, and as a result there will be an impact to these services from Saturday 3 August until further notice. We are planning to run as many services as possible, but please allow more time for your journey.
The operator of bus routes 389 and 399 has withdrawn from running TfL Bus services in London, and as a result we will be unable to operate these services from Saturday 3 August until further notice.
The 389/399 is especially unhelpful is it’s used primarily by - using the politest terms possible here - a slightly elder demographic who use it as a lifeline to go shopping. They will no doubt have no idea that their 389/399 won’t be running and will just be standing on the pavements (as it’s most hail and ride) waiting there for it to inevitably not turn up! I would have thought 389/399 would be the easiest route to find cover. It only needs 1 bus and 1 driver to cover a total of 11 journeys between 10am and 3pm |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 3, 2024 8:12:02 GMT
So to sum up what we think we know, at 09.00 on Saturday 3rd August we have:
217 - operated by Arriva (AR), possibly emergency timetable
298 - operated by Uno, definite emergency timetable with limted service, ceasing around 18.00
299 - operated by Go-Ahead (NP), possibkly emergency timetable
327 - suspended UFN
389 - suspended UFN
399 - suspended UFN
549 - interim operation by Stagecoach (WH) until service changes on 24th September. Possibly full timetable.
W9 - operated by Stagecoach (AW), possibly emergency timetable.
School routes 605, 606, 617, 629 to be retendered for the start of school term in September. 640 has already been awarded to metroline to start in September.
Please feel free to update, correct, or fill in any gaps!
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Post by lj61nwc on Aug 3, 2024 8:13:49 GMT
So to sum up what we think we know, at 09.00 on Saturday 3rd August we have: 217 - operated by Arriva (AR), possibly emergency timetable 298 - operated by Uno, definite emergency timetable with limted service, ceasing around 18.00 299 - operated by Go-Ahead (NP), possibkly emergency timetable 327 - suspended UFN 389 - suspended UFN 399 - suspended UFN 549 - interim operation by Stagecoach (WH) until service chnages on 24th September. Possibly full timetable. W9 - operated by Stagecoach (AW), possibly emergency timetable. School routes 605, 606, 617, 629 to be retendered for the start of school term in September. 640 has already been awarded to metroline to start in September. Please feel free to update, correct, or fill in any gaps! 299 operating a 70% service until they organise more buses and drivers. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 3, 2024 8:23:45 GMT
There are already lots of photographs of buses on the Londoner without blinds. I see a lot of doors slammed this morning.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 3, 2024 8:32:14 GMT
So to sum up what we think we know, at 09.00 on Saturday 3rd August we have: 217 - operated by Arriva (AR), possibly emergency timetable 298 - operated by Uno, definite emergency timetable with limted service, ceasing around 18.00 299 - operated by Go-Ahead (NP), possibkly emergency timetable 327 - suspended UFN 389 - suspended UFN 399 - suspended UFN 549 - interim operation by Stagecoach (WH) until service changes on 24th September. Possibly full timetable. W9 - operated by Stagecoach (AW), possibly emergency timetable. School routes 605, 606, 617, 629 to be retendered for the start of school term in September. 640 has already been awarded to metroline to start in September. Please feel free to update, correct, or fill in any gaps! To add: 720 - operated by RATP, limited timetable. |
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Post by borneobus on Aug 3, 2024 8:41:06 GMT
If you go to the TfL website and check the status of any of the affected routes, you get this message
Routes 217 298 299 327 389 399 549 W9 may be subject to journey cancellations due to an operator ceasing bus operations in London.
This is unhelpfully less informative than the two emails TfL sent me last night, which said
The operator of bus routes 217, 298, 299, 327, 549 and W9 has withdrawn from running TfL Bus services in London, and as a result there will be an impact to these services from Saturday 3 August until further notice. We are planning to run as many services as possible, but please allow more time for your journey.
The operator of bus routes 389 and 399 has withdrawn from running TfL Bus services in London, and as a result we will be unable to operate these services from Saturday 3 August until further notice.
The 389/399 is especially unhelpful is it’s used primarily by - using the politest terms possible here - a slightly elder demographic who use it as a lifeline to go shopping. They will no doubt have no idea that their 389/399 won’t be running and will just be standing on the pavements (as it’s most hail and ride) waiting there for it to inevitably not turn up! Agreed, I so nearly wrote something similar. For 389 users according to Google Maps it's a 12 minute walk (but try this with a heavily laden shopping trolley!) from the depths of Western Way to Underhill and the 34 et al - and there are no foot bridges over the Northern Line to the 'main drag' - I think the new Labour MP for Chipping Barnet will be on the phone to MoL before too long! In January 2023 I took a ride to travel e2e on 399 & 389. The Sullivan driver's service was exemplary. A number of pax addressed him by name and at The Spires he assisted 3-4 elderly ladies by lugging those heavy shopping trollies I mentioned onto the Streetlite. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 3, 2024 8:45:03 GMT
Sullivan proving how useless they are with only E48 and E50 on the 217 bunching each other at exactly 23:40 in the evening. Meanwhile only DS54 is the only bus tracking on the 298. The plug has been pulled. What an ending for a cowboy operator! Edit: It's 00:10 E48 and E50 are continuing the art piece. This post is a bit uncalled for IMO. How would you feel if you was driver who found out whilst at work they had lost their job? Does anyone really care on the last day of employment? In post jobs you see people taking the p*ss before leaving.
Over the last few months Sullivan became the latest target for the forum to pick and dig at.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 3, 2024 8:51:05 GMT
Sullivan proving how useless they are with only E48 and E50 on the 217 bunching each other at exactly 23:40 in the evening. Meanwhile only DS54 is the only bus tracking on the 298. The plug has been pulled. What an ending for a cowboy operator! Edit: It's 00:10 E48 and E50 are continuing the art piece. This post is a bit uncalled for IMO. How would you feel if you was driver who found out whilst at work they had lost their job? Does anyone really care on the last day of employment? In post jobs you see people taking the p*ss before leaving.
Over the last few months Sullivan became the latest target for the forum to pick and dig at.
Sorry, but probably rightly deserved. The state of the 217 at nights where only 3 buses would run on a good day was shocking. People don't just randomly wake up one day and collectively decide that they're going to target Sullivan for the next 4 weeks or something, there has been a noticeable and unacceptable decline in service offered and quite frankly it would make life for people living along these routes a misery if they would never know if their bus to work would turn up in the morning. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 3, 2024 8:52:25 GMT
I do wonder if the shut down was planned for yesterday in advance even if drivers were not told? Is it sheer coincident that services finished on a Friday and new tenders / change of operators happen on a Saturday? The reason I say this is the press release made mention of agreeing a date back in June.
Can I ask what the 718 and 720 routes are? I assume long term rail replacement but not sure where they run?
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Post by eal1ngvolvo483 on Aug 3, 2024 8:56:11 GMT
I do wonder if the shut down was planned for yesterday in advance even if drivers were not told? Is it sheer coincident that services finished on a Friday and new tenders / change of operators happen on a Saturday? The reason I say this is the press release made mention of agreeing a date back in June.
Can I ask what the 718 and 720 routes are? I assume long term rail replacement but not sure where they run?
718= Bakerloo Line RRP idk where it starts and ends, 720= overground RRP from Watford Junction I believe |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 3, 2024 8:57:21 GMT
This post is a bit uncalled for IMO. How would you feel if you was driver who found out whilst at work they had lost their job? Does anyone really care on the last day of employment? In post jobs you see people taking the p*ss before leaving.
Over the last few months Sullivan became the latest target for the forum to pick and dig at.
Sorry, but probably rightly deserved. The state of the 217 at nights where only 3 buses would run on a good day was shocking. People don't just randomly wake up one day and collectively decide that they're going to target Sullivan for the next 4 weeks or something, there has been a noticeable and unacceptable decline in service offered and quite frankly it would make life for people living along these routes a misery if they would never know if their bus to work would turn up in the morning. My point was about the last night on the 217 like anyone is going to are when they have lost their job.
To be honest there are far too many experts here who think they know / assume others can do better. The keyboard/ armchair experts are too much on occasions and I assure now that within a day or so the moaning will have moved to another route / company. Not herd any moaning about a RATP route in a day or so. If I was a betting man I would be sure there will be complaints about buses running without blinds before the day is out.
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 3, 2024 8:58:59 GMT
Sullivan proving how useless they are with only E48 and E50 on the 217 bunching each other at exactly 23:40 in the evening. Meanwhile only DS54 is the only bus tracking on the 298. The plug has been pulled. What an ending for a cowboy operator! Edit: It's 00:10 E48 and E50 are continuing the art piece. This post is a bit uncalled for IMO. How would you feel if you was driver who found out whilst at work they had lost their job? Does anyone really care on the last day of employment? In post jobs you see people taking the p*ss before leaving.
Over the last few months Sullivan became the latest target for the forum to pick and dig at.
I'm fully entitled on my right to express a negative opinion within the operation. As someone in particular who lives on one of their services, I can very much confirm the service provided by them is beyond the standards what is considered an unacceptable service. Mass service cancellations, a 30 - 45 minute gap on a near daily bases with sometimes even hourly, yet alone I wish not to start how it's like in the evenings and on Sundays. Whether what happens to the drivers or staff, it's quite difficult for any user to have any sympathy if a very poor service was provided. As what just happened. I do personally wish the staff good luck in their future careers, some on a special note will be missed from how friendly they are to many users with often or not some users knowing their names and having full on conversations with them in journey. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 3, 2024 9:04:47 GMT
Sorry, but probably rightly deserved. The state of the 217 at nights where only 3 buses would run on a good day was shocking. People don't just randomly wake up one day and collectively decide that they're going to target Sullivan for the next 4 weeks or something, there has been a noticeable and unacceptable decline in service offered and quite frankly it would make life for people living along these routes a misery if they would never know if their bus to work would turn up in the morning. My point was about the last night on the 217 like anyone is going to are when they have lost their job.
To be honest there are far too many experts here who think they know / assume others can do better. The keyboard/ armchair experts are too much on occasions and I assure now that within a day or so the moaning will have moved to another route / company. Not herd any moaning about a RATP route in a day or so. If I was a betting man I would be sure there will be complaints about buses running without blinds before the day is out.
What does being an expert have to do with anything, you pay for a service that's not meeting your expected demands. That's how this works, anyone can complain and you don't need to be an expert to do so. |
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Post by Lukeo on Aug 3, 2024 9:08:39 GMT
I do wonder if the shut down was planned for yesterday in advance even if drivers were not told? Is it sheer coincident that services finished on a Friday and new tenders / change of operators happen on a Saturday? The reason I say this is the press release made mention of agreeing a date back in June.
Can I ask what the 718 and 720 routes are? I assume long term rail replacement but not sure where they run?
718= Bakerloo Line RRP idk where it starts and ends, 720= overground RRP from Watford Junction I believe More information and a map here: tfl.gov.uk/status-updates/major-works-and-events/london-overground-and-bakerloo-line-part-closureI haven’t yet seen any buses tracking on the 720. |
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Post by IanF on Aug 3, 2024 9:12:57 GMT
Do we really need to start arguing with each other I think not.
Dean Sullivan has published his side of things and whether you agree or not is neither here nor there he has made a business decision that I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s to preserve the business he had prior to entering tfl service work. I doubt we will ever see or hear TfL’s side as there’s a lot more red tape in an organisation such as tfl than a company such as Sullivans.
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