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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2008 6:46:14 GMT
The safety proceedures (ie height of bus displayed in cab) are quite adequate in 99.9% of cases, it is incompetent drivers that are the problem. The safety procedures for double deck buses are far to inadequate. Bus hitting bridges is a pretty common occurance. Whether you choose to blame the driver or not is irrelevent. It is a known risk and a common occurance. Something has to be done about it. Just relying on drivers does not work. Maybe. But everyone can make mistakes in all walks of life. Dont train drivers have a device to stop them going through red signals? And train drivers are paid a lot more and trained much higher in safety etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2008 6:48:30 GMT
I'm posting this on here, slightly relevant as an ex London Olympian was involved. The accident happened just outside Ipswich between the villages of Holbrook and Freston on 21 April. Its a bad one. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7359739.stm
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2008 8:39:54 GMT
I'm posting this on here, slightly relevant as an ex London Olympian was involved. The accident happened just outside Ipswich between the villages of Holbrook and Freston on 21 April. Its a bad one. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7359739.stm The enviro 300 of far east travel i believe was an ex demonstrator that had been on loan to go north east for extended trials when new.
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Post by Steve80 on Apr 23, 2008 2:26:00 GMT
That is a very bad accident. The road looks quite small to get two buses passing each other there. By the look of things they were going quite fast round that bend
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Post by john on Apr 23, 2008 10:01:55 GMT
The safety proceedures (ie height of bus displayed in cab) are quite adequate in 99.9% of cases, it is incompetent drivers that are the problem. Maybe. But everyone can make mistakes in all walks of life. Dont train drivers have a device to stop them going through red signals? And train drivers are paid a lot more and trained much higher in safety etc. Depends on which line you travel. I know LUL have this system, but as for NR it varies. Believe it or not, First Great Western had this system in place on every single incident that has happened since Slough!!!! All i do know is that there is a bell in the cab that rings everytime they go past the signals to say they passed one so it keeps them alert. Although, hearing some of the stories that come off there, i'm surprised i even feel safe on the railways anymore!!!!
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Post by eggmiester on Apr 23, 2008 18:19:53 GMT
Maybe. But everyone can make mistakes in all walks of life. Dont train drivers have a device to stop them going through red signals? And train drivers are paid a lot more and trained much higher in safety etc. Depends on which line you travel. I know LUL have this system, but as for NR it varies. Believe it or not, First Great Western had this system in place on every single incident that has happened since Slough!!!! All i do know is that there is a bell in the cab that rings everytime they go past the signals to say they passed one so it keeps them alert. Although, hearing some of the stories that come off there, i'm surprised i even feel safe on the railways anymore!!!! A Little LUL and NR information essay, Johns right, LUL lines with older stock (like, District, Met etc) have the tripcock system, which applies the brakes when a train passes a red signal, it does this by dumping the main line air pressure, causing the brakes to jam-on. The victoria is an exctption as this uses coded ATO, (Automatic Train Operation) which uses codes fed into the track circuits to drive and stop a train, therefore a train will not pass a stop code, although i still think tripcocks are still employed at strategic points on the line. LUL Lines with Newer stock and some NR operators use ATP (Automatic Train Protection) which is like a modern day equivilant of the tripcock system, works in very much the same way but using on-train and trackbed sensors instead of levers and tripcocks, ATP will stop a train if it passes a red signal. ATP is however very expensive to introduce. LUL lines with the newer ATO (Central and soon to be jubilee and Vicotria) incoportate ATP into the ATO system. Theres a cheaper version in use on NR now, called TPWS (Train Protection and Warning System) its like ATP, works in a similar way but doesnt stop a train if it passes a red signal, it does however sound an alarm to warn the driver and on some units it cuts out power to the traction motors (doesnt shut off power all together), this is a lot cheaper to fit than ATP. NR for many years has used AWS, (Automatic Warning System) this is the bell and buzzers you can hear coming from the cab on NR trains, its bacially an early warning system, telling the driver what the next sigal aspect is using the bell and buzzer. one bell generally means the next siganl aspect in green (line is clear).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 18:35:18 GMT
The TPWS and AWS do stop trains and TPWS detects speeding too.
The Victoria Line does not have tripcocks but have 'code trips' which are a similar idea. The trains can be fitted with tripcocks if they run over other lines but these are removed when on the Victoria Line.
ATP is used on Chiltern trains and the Great Western Lines but Heathrow Express are the only Train Operating Company to use solely ATP on their routes.
ATO is due to be completed on the Jubilee in 2009, the Northern in 2012, The Metropolitan, District and Circle by 2012-16, Piccadilly in 2016 and finally the Bakerloo in 2020.
The Central Line has ATO already (though not as high-tech so fewer trains run per hour on the Central compared to when the Northern and Jubilee receive their ATO). The Victoria has had it since opening and will be re-equipped with new equipment for more trains to run when the new trains arrive next year.
The DLR uses ATO too ;D
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Post by john on Apr 23, 2008 23:23:19 GMT
Being a regular user of the DLR now, you don't have feel there brakes when they come on!! Once got a train from Cyprus that was terminating at Canning Town. Waited for a King George V train to go through, then we started moving but the signal was still at stop (not red and green like other railway systems) and the brakes just come straight on and sent a few people flying!! Lol ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 14:33:46 GMT
Being a regular user of the DLR now, you don't have feel there brakes when they come on!! Once got a train from Cyprus that was terminating at Canning Town. Waited for a King George V train to go through, then we started moving but the signal was still at stop (not red and green like other railway systems) and the brakes just come straight on and sent a few people flying!! Lol ;D I agree they do stop a bit sharp. I went for a joy ride to Tower Gateway the other week (sitting at Lewisham for a 3 hour break does get depressing) and was thinking to myself if I braked this harsh I would be in for discipline. So there you have it DLR computer controlled braking.. crap ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 15:22:28 GMT
Being a regular user of the DLR now, you don't have feel there brakes when they come on!! Once got a train from Cyprus that was terminating at Canning Town. Waited for a King George V train to go through, then we started moving but the signal was still at stop (not red and green like other railway systems) and the brakes just come straight on and sent a few people flying!! Lol ;D I agree they do stop a bit sharp. I went for a joy ride to Tower Gateway the other week (sitting at Lewisham for a 3 hour break does get depressing) and was thinking to myself if I braked this harsh I would be in for discipline. So there you have it DLR computer controlled braking.. crap ;D ;D A three hour break at Lewisham ? Is this sort of thing the norm nowadays?
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Post by lc1 on Apr 24, 2008 16:08:23 GMT
I agree they do stop a bit sharp. I went for a joy ride to Tower Gateway the other week (sitting at Lewisham for a 3 hour break does get depressing) and was thinking to myself if I braked this harsh I would be in for discipline. So there you have it DLR computer controlled braking.. crap ;D ;D A three hour break at Lewisham ? Is this sort of thing the norm nowadays? We have one duty on our midi rota that has (from recollection) almost 4 hour break I think there's still a couple of 3 hour breaks on the normal big bus rota (although most long breaks are about 2 hours) and I think there might still be the odd spreadover on the 51 rota.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 19:22:38 GMT
I agree they do stop a bit sharp. I went for a joy ride to Tower Gateway the other week (sitting at Lewisham for a 3 hour break does get depressing) and was thinking to myself if I braked this harsh I would be in for discipline. So there you have it DLR computer controlled braking.. crap ;D ;D A three hour break at Lewisham ? Is this sort of thing the norm nowadays? We have about 5 duties with 3 hour break and a few 2 hour breaks couple of 185s have 4 hour break.
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Post by eggmiester on Apr 25, 2008 6:30:46 GMT
A three hour break at Lewisham ? Is this sort of thing the norm nowadays? We have one duty on our midi rota that has (from recollection) almost 4 hour break I think there's still a couple of 3 hour breaks on the normal big bus rota (although most long breaks are about 2 hours) and I think there might still be the odd spreadover on the 51 rota. The 51 still has one spreadover with a 4 1/2 hour meal break, also this break is taken at BX, you run the first bus in and take your second bus from the garage!
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Post by eggmiester on May 1, 2008 18:24:36 GMT
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Post by lc1 on May 2, 2008 17:02:41 GMT
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