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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 11:06:19 GMT
Ok lets have a debate on tfl items not anything else for me Boris has done more i.e. removed the bendies and introduced a lot more hybrids ok the borismster funding should have brought more hybrids but he wanted a vanity project like Ken had with his bendies and leave the staff team alone they are running a decent forum For me the Boris bus was a total waste of money! I doubt it will get beyond 100 buses max! if any are built after the first test batch of course on that note I think putting them on route 38 was the most stupid idea ever! this was one of the highest fare dodging routes. No way will the 2nd person be able to watch and keep track of everyone that touches in ;D so people will soon work out which buses are the "Free" ones ;D I have seen mentioned elsewhere a mentioned of a one hour transfer ticket for buses. I think this is a great idea!
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Post by john on Feb 19, 2012 14:04:12 GMT
Well go complain about me to the forum moderators then if I 'apparently' need discipline He wouldn't be the only one to have done so. The problem is that the rules here are so relaxed that most of the time the Staff let Members get away with comments like that. We try to keep the forum atmosphere as relaxed as possible. If you've noticed, the staff themselves get involved in as many threads as we can from the same view point as normal members, it creates a feeling of everyone being equal. We don't like making people feel inferior in front of other members so we deal with matters via a little tool called Private Messages. We find that in most cases it works alot better and more effectively than by nit picking in front of other members. The rules are there to be obeyed, that is clear to see but rather than jumping onto everything, including those that have been bent, we allow some flexibility before jumping in and creating further problems that would have been avoided without our intervention. If you do have any strong feelings about this then please feel free to PM myself or any other staff member.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2012 22:37:06 GMT
Ok lets have a debate on tfl items not anything else for me Boris has done more i.e. removed the bendies and introduced a lot more hybrids ok the borismster funding should have brought more hybrids but he wanted a vanity project like Ken had with his bendies and leave the staff team alone they are running a decent forum Can someone show me where it says that Ken Livingstone had a distinct policy of introducing articulated buses? My understanding of Ken's policies was to increase capacity on the bus network because of the introduction of congestion charging and to relieve the tube where it wasn't possible to rapidly increase capacity. Surely the use of articulated buses was a TfL decision as a way of increasing capacity on the very busiest routes. There was no Mayoral directive which said "you must introduce bendy buses on these routes". The current Mayor had specific manifesto commitments related to vehicle types rather than having an objective of making the bus network even better than it was after 8 years of Ken. I'm very happy for people to point me at a policy document that says that Ken did demand bendy buses. I don't need any reminders about Ken removing Routemasters - that's been done to death on several groups.
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Post by lc1 on Feb 20, 2012 14:21:01 GMT
Ok lets have a debate on tfl items not anything else for me Boris has done more i.e. removed the bendies and introduced a lot more hybrids ok the borismster funding should have brought more hybrids but he wanted a vanity project like Ken had with his bendies and leave the staff team alone they are running a decent forum Can someone show me where it says that Ken Livingstone had a distinct policy of introducing articulated buses? My understanding of Ken's policies was to increase capacity on the bus network because of the introduction of congestion charging and to relieve the tube where it wasn't possible to rapidly increase capacity. Surely the use of articulated buses was a TfL decision as a way of increasing capacity on the very busiest routes. There was no Mayoral directive which said "you must introduce bendy buses on these routes". The current Mayor had specific manifesto commitments related to vehicle types rather than having an objective of making the bus network even better than it was after 8 years of Ken. I'm very happy for people to point me at a policy document that says that Ken did demand bendy buses. I don't need any reminders about Ken removing Routemasters - that's been done to death on several groups. Ultimately, TfL's boss is the Mayor so yes he had the final say as to wether to introduce bendies or not. I too have also heard of the one hour transfer ticket/voucher lets see how it works before saying it's great, i.e how clear the time is on it, because lets face it the details on the RTM tickets is poor at best
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Post by snoggle on Feb 20, 2012 15:10:58 GMT
Can someone show me where it says that Ken Livingstone had a distinct policy of introducing articulated buses? My understanding of Ken's policies was to increase capacity on the bus network because of the introduction of congestion charging and to relieve the tube where it wasn't possible to rapidly increase capacity. Surely the use of articulated buses was a TfL decision as a way of increasing capacity on the very busiest routes. There was no Mayoral directive which said "you must introduce bendy buses on these routes". The current Mayor had specific manifesto commitments related to vehicle types rather than having an objective of making the bus network even better than it was after 8 years of Ken. I'm very happy for people to point me at a policy document that says that Ken did demand bendy buses. I don't need any reminders about Ken removing Routemasters - that's been done to death on several groups. Ultimately, TfL's boss is the Mayor so yes he had the final say as to wether to introduce bendies or not. I too have also heard of the one hour transfer ticket/voucher lets see how it works before saying it's great, i.e how clear the time is on it, because lets face it the details on the RTM tickets is poor at best Do you really think that the Mayor approves each tender specification that TfL issue? The service specification and service changes are left to TfL to decide. Any 1 hour ticket would only be done using Oyster. I don't believe for one second that a paper version would be used. There would be a 1 hour cap as well as a 24 hour cap for bus only journeys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 15:17:51 GMT
Can someone show me where it says that Ken Livingstone had a distinct policy of introducing articulated buses? My understanding of Ken's policies was to increase capacity on the bus network because of the introduction of congestion charging and to relieve the tube where it wasn't possible to rapidly increase capacity. Surely the use of articulated buses was a TfL decision as a way of increasing capacity on the very busiest routes. There was no Mayoral directive which said "you must introduce bendy buses on these routes". The current Mayor had specific manifesto commitments related to vehicle types rather than having an objective of making the bus network even better than it was after 8 years of Ken. I'm very happy for people to point me at a policy document that says that Ken did demand bendy buses. I don't need any reminders about Ken removing Routemasters - that's been done to death on several groups. Ultimately, TfL's boss is the Mayor so yes he had the final say as to wether to introduce bendies or not. I too have also heard of the one hour transfer ticket/voucher lets see how it works before saying it's great, i.e how clear the time is on it, because lets face it the details on the RTM tickets is poor at best I assume the one hour ticket would be Oyster so would sort its self automaticly? would be nothing for a driver to check? And whats not to be great about saving money? I personally find a bit unfair that can travel for example from Canning Town to Epping by tube for £1.40 off peak but catch two buses a short distance say Canning Town to Poplar then Poplar to Tower Hill will cost £2.70> I know they are two very random examples just just tring to show the benifits of a 1 hour ticket.
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Post by lc1 on Feb 20, 2012 16:53:37 GMT
The one hour transfer ticket will only work in the same way as a normal transfer ticket will work now, you won't be able to take 2 separate journeys as in your example.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 17:11:21 GMT
The one hour transfer ticket will only work in the same way as a normal transfer ticket will work now, you won't be able to take 2 separate journeys as in your example. So how will it work then? am I missing something? How else would a 1 hour transfer work if you can't make two journeys?
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Post by lc1 on Feb 21, 2012 6:18:00 GMT
The one hour transfer ticket will only work in the same way as a normal transfer ticket will work now, you won't be able to take 2 separate journeys as in your example. So how will it work then? am I missing something? How else would a 1 hour transfer work if you can't make two journeys? In the same way a transfer works now only te river won't have o stay and ensure everyone is transferred. You will only get a transfer voucher (which is what they will be) if the vehicle your on is curtailed short.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 8:11:19 GMT
So how will it work then? am I missing something? How else would a 1 hour transfer work if you can't make two journeys? In the same way a transfer works now only te river won't have o stay and ensure everyone is transferred. You will only get a transfer voucher (which is what they will be) if the vehicle your on is curtailed short. I think there is some cross wires here. The one hour ticket is the new pledge that will allow passengers to travel on more than one bus at the cost of one journey for a maximum of 1 hour. Nothing to do with buses being cut short.
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Post by lc1 on Feb 21, 2012 14:21:34 GMT
Fair enough I've not heard of that, I have however heard about the possibility of a 1 hour transfer voucher, I suppose we shall have to wait and see.
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Post by Paul on Feb 21, 2012 14:46:46 GMT
If a Mayoral candidate wants to grab a whole block of votes then they should pledge to get rid of free travel for kids. Every bus driver living in London would vote for them!! ;D ;D
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Post by Paul on Feb 21, 2012 14:54:17 GMT
Well, im certainly not voting for boris... www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24022330-bus-drivers-demand-pound-500-bonus-for-olympics.doUnite, the country's largest union, has written to all London's bus operators demanding the £500 payments.
An extra 800,000 passengers are expected on buses during the Olympics, meaning staff will be working far harder, with "significantly increased revenue" for Transport for London
The Mayor branded Tube and bus drivers as "chiselling". He said: "It is incredible that people are using their positions to lever more money out of London's transport budget. I don't think it is reasonable."
On the bonus claim by bus drivers he said: "I don't support it. There is no extra burden I can see."Don't quite see how Boris can't see the extra burden that will be placed on bus drivers. Given that people are being encouraged to use public transport to get to the Games how are those in the south of the capital expected to get to Stratford? Make their journey longer by going into the city then back out again? Or will they use, oh, the bus? I don't expect to see a big difference for me personally, although I think there is a possibility that there will be extra people using the routes I drive to make further connections (208 to Lewisham for the DLR, 269 and 314 for onward connections to North Greenwich and maybe even the 227 and 354 for the Overground). I guess the possibility might even exist for me to go over to Plumstead for the duration of the Games and assist on the extra services on the 53, 177 and 472 and those routes are going to see a massive increase in passenger usage No extra burden on bus drivers Boris? Pull the other one son.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 21:52:14 GMT
Ken and Boris are both known for gaffs. They have been at each other's throats for decades and seem to be tired of debating policies, so they look for whatever that would generate the most hot-air, however inappropriate. Both are as guilty as each other.
I think most people agree that Ken had a good first term, but went a bit barmy through his second term, what with bendies, free travel and dodgy links with Venezuela. The problem with more-than-moderately-left-wing politicians is that they get carried away.
Boris presents his 'baffoon' character almost with pride, though I think the electorate are taking him more seriously. Given the tough economic times he has done quite a bit defending London's interests sometimes being at odds with the Conservative Party nationally. There was a distinct possibility of Crossrail being jeopardised for example. One could argue Boris has mostly defended Ken's legacies, and beyond that he doesn't have that much vision.
Both candidates have their merits and liabilities. Their terms in office were in very different economic conditions so it's not easy to make direct comparisons. Given that we are still only stumbling out of recession and the country's finances aren't in great shape, so Ken might need to work harder to garner credibility, but Boris needs to further convince people he's not just a typical Nasty Tory. As the polls suggest it is going to be a close race.
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