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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 22:01:54 GMT
As there seems to be so many 'dead-runs' for route 370 between its Eastound terminus at Lakeside Shopping centre and the Arriva in Grays, would it not be worth considering extending the 370 back to Grays? Perhaps a deal could be done with Ensign and TfL on a financial front for Ensign to withdraw their services Lakeside-Grays to be withdrawn with the 370 as the replacement? Perhaps they could have 1 in 2 going to Grays with 1 in 2 continuing to terminate in Lakeside? (Grays - Lakeside to have a 30-minute service; 60-minutes on Sunday)
I think the Grays policy of having buses running dead between these locations is the reason why we are still seeing regular single-deck workings on the 370. Surely if Arriva can schedule driver breaks to be timed with the Grays services, then a better service can be provided. - Gareth.
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Post by onthebuses on Aug 11, 2012 22:04:24 GMT
As there seems to be so many 'dead-runs' for route 370 between its Eastound terminus at Lakeside Shopping centre and the Arriva in Grays, would it not be worth considering extending the 370 back to Grays? Perhaps a deal could be done with Ensign and TfL on a financial front for Ensign to withdraw their services Lakeside-Grays to be withdrawn with the 370 as the replacement? Perhaps they could have 1 in 2 going to Grays with 1 in 2 continuing to terminate in Lakeside? (Grays - Lakeside to have a 30-minute service; 60-minutes on Sunday) I think the Grays policy of having buses running dead between these locations is the reason why we are still seeing regular single-deck workings on the 370. Surely if Arriva can schedule driver breaks to be timed with the Grays services, then a better service can be provided. - Gareth. Am I reading this right - You want Ensign to withdraw a commercial route? why would they even consider this? |
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Post by romfordbuses on Aug 11, 2012 22:20:15 GMT
I think Ensign's reply would consist of two words...
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 11, 2012 22:35:52 GMT
I think Ensign's reply would consist of two words... NO WAY? ;D |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2012 0:25:16 GMT
I think the Grays policy of having buses running dead between these locations is the reason why we are still seeing regular single-deck workings on the 370. Sorry but explain how one type of bus affects them doing dead running  I'm pretty sure the reason why single decks can be used is just like at other garages, whatevers available is used and if that means they can get away with a single decker, then thats what they'll do. |
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Post by jay38a on Aug 12, 2012 0:51:41 GMT
As there seems to be so many 'dead-runs' for route 370 between its Eastound terminus at Lakeside Shopping centre and the Arriva in Grays, would it not be worth considering extending the 370 back to Grays? Perhaps a deal could be done with Ensign and TfL on a financial front for Ensign to withdraw their services Lakeside-Grays to be withdrawn with the 370 as the replacement? Perhaps they could have 1 in 2 going to Grays with 1 in 2 continuing to terminate in Lakeside? (Grays - Lakeside to have a 30-minute service; 60-minutes on Sunday) I think the Grays policy of having buses running dead between these locations is the reason why we are still seeing regular single-deck workings on the 370. Surely if Arriva can schedule driver breaks to be timed with the Grays services, then a better service can be provided. - Gareth. Grays depot is actually roughly half way between Lakeside and Grays so would be no point extending it. |
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 12, 2012 1:42:32 GMT
Walked past Southend depot last night saw 6 or so Y reg DLA's all parked up still in red most with blinds anyone know what's going to happen to them now.?
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2012 3:05:26 GMT
Walked past Southend depot last night saw 6 or so Y reg DLA's all parked up still in red most with blinds anyone know what's going to happen to them now.? Cascaded to other parts of the Arriva empire I'm guessing. |
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Post by eggmiester on Aug 12, 2012 3:58:15 GMT
It would be more cost effective for GY to lose the dead runs and use a ferry vehicle.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 12, 2012 6:51:39 GMT
It would be more cost effective for GY to lose the dead runs and use a ferry vehicle. Do they still have that London Taxi knocking about for the ferry vehicle? I was very amused when I saw this thing turn up at Lakeside, bringing 4001's driver back in Feb ;D |
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Post by greeny253 on Aug 12, 2012 9:19:46 GMT
It would be more cost effective for GY to lose the dead runs and use a ferry vehicle. Do they still have that London Taxi knocking about for the ferry vehicle? I was very amused when I saw this thing turn up at Lakeside, bringing 4001's driver back in Feb ;D Yeah they've still got it. Dots around Romford for the 499/375 reliefs  |
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Post by VPL630 on Aug 12, 2012 9:39:51 GMT
Do they still have that London Taxi knocking about for the ferry vehicle? I was very amused when I saw this thing turn up at Lakeside, bringing 4001's driver back in Feb ;D Yeah they've still got it. Dots around Romford for the 499/375 reliefs They used one of the DLA's for it the other day |
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Post by VPL630 on Aug 12, 2012 9:52:30 GMT
As there seems to be so many 'dead-runs' for route 370 between its Eastound terminus at Lakeside Shopping centre and the Arriva in Grays, would it not be worth considering extending the 370 back to Grays? Perhaps a deal could be done with Ensign and TfL on a financial front for Ensign to withdraw their services Lakeside-Grays to be withdrawn with the 370 as the replacement? Perhaps they could have 1 in 2 going to Grays with 1 in 2 continuing to terminate in Lakeside? (Grays - Lakeside to have a 30-minute service; 60-minutes on Sunday) I think the Grays policy of having buses running dead between these locations is the reason why we are still seeing regular single-deck workings on the 370. Surely if Arriva can schedule driver breaks to be timed with the Grays services, then a better service can be provided. - Gareth. The dead run from Lakeside take around 5 mins and 30 mins from Romford according to Google Maps Have you seen how Long the Dead run on the 66 is from Leytonstone Same with the 608 DM to Shenfeild and 167/20 BE to Debden |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 11:32:37 GMT
Surely there is room to put the 66 back in at Barking garage now that the 275 and 462 have been lost? How can it be cost effective to keep running it from Grays? The dead runs from Leytonstone to Grays are huge I would have thought! It must also be closer for Barking garage to get vehicles to Romford than it is for Grays? Afterall, they already get buses into Romford for the 128 and Becontree for the 150. Equally, the change over point could be at the junction past Redbridge College/ King George Hospital on the A12, with drivers taking the 173 route directly back to the garage.
The reason, I believe, that the 370 is still seeing single-deck operation is that buses are letting passengers off at Lakeside, and then returning 'dead' to the depot. If it takes 5 minutes to get between Lakeside and Grays depot, then thats at least 10 minutes there and back, and 5-10 to complete the change over at the depot. Therefore, the bus is off route for up to 20-minutes.
This means that they are possibly using spare buses, double or single-decks, to send to Lakeside for the 370 before the bus it is replacing has returned to the depot save time. For example, I was waiting at Lakeside, where LJ05BKG came past after letting passengers off and just went out of the bus station and off to Grays. About 5 minutes later, LJ05BLX (I believe?) arrived with 'ROMFORD MARKET' displayed ready to go. This bus must have come in directly from Grays and the driver starting his shift. Had a double-deck not been available, this would have been a single-decker with the double-deck that should be on the route running dead.
Interestingly, I have seen a couple more VLA's have been turned out on the 370 recently, with slight changes to the previous few that have been operating for the past month or so. Firstly, some of them do not have an Arriva logo, and the ones that do have it just below the windscreen whereas the earlier ones had it between the headlights. Secondly, the blinds are displaying 'Lakeside' and 'Romford Market', as opposed to 'LAKESIDE' and 'ROMFORD MARKET'. Perhaps new destination blinds are being produced now as an update? No need to re-print the numbers etc, as nothing has changed for these.
Additionally, why have Go-Ahead not tried to purchase the old Stagecoach garage at Upton Park for their expanding services? This would be an ideal location for them, and they could help fund it by selling the Silverton depot, which is too small now. They could house all the silvertown routes, plus the 300 and 376, which would save all the dead running. It would also be better for the 276, as Newham General Hospital is just around the corner. the 474 wouldnt be much more inconvenienced, as change overs would be made like the 101 used to be at East Ham Town Hall. - Gareth.
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Post by VPL630 on Aug 12, 2012 11:44:43 GMT
Surely there is room to put the 66 back in at Barking garage now that the 275 and 462 have been lost? How can it be cost effective to keep running it from Grays? The dead runs from Leytonstone to Grays are huge I would have thought! It must also be closer for Barking garage to get vehicles to Romford than it is for Grays? Afterall, they already get buses into Romford for the 128 and Becontree for the 150. Equally, the change over point could be at the junction past Redbridge College/ King George Hospital on the A12, with drivers taking the 173 route directly back to the garage. The reason, I believe, that the 370 is still seeing single-deck operation is that buses are letting passengers off at Lakeside, and then returning 'dead' to the depot. If it takes 5 minutes to get between Lakeside and Grays depot, then thats at least 10 minutes there and back, and 5-10 to complete the change over at the depot. Therefore, the bus is off route for up to 20-minutes. This means that they are possibly using spare buses, double or single-decks, to send to Lakeside for the 370 before the bus it is replacing has returned to the depot save time. For example, I was waiting at Lakeside, where LJ05BKG came past after letting passengers off and just went out of the bus station and off to Grays. About 5 minutes later, LJ05BLX (I believe?) arrived with 'ROMFORD MARKET' displayed ready to go. This bus must have come in directly from Grays and the driver starting his shift. Had a double-deck not been available, this would have been a single-decker with the double-deck that should be on the route running dead. Interestingly, I have seen a couple more VLA's have been turned out on the 370 recently, with slight changes to the previous few that have been operating for the past month or so. Firstly, some of them do not have an Arriva logo, and the ones that do have it just below the windscreen whereas the earlier ones had it between the headlights. Secondly, the blinds are displaying 'Lakeside' and 'Romford Market', as opposed to 'LAKESIDE' and 'ROMFORD MARKET'. Perhaps new destination blinds are being produced now as an update? No need to re-print the numbers etc, as nothing has changed for these. Additionally, why have Go-Ahead not tried to purchase the old Stagecoach garage at Upton Park for their expanding services? This would be an ideal location for them, and they could help fund it by selling the Silverton depot, which is too small now. They could house all the silvertown routes, plus the 300 and 376, which would save all the dead running. It would also be better for the 276, as Newham General Hospital is just around the corner. the 474 wouldnt be much more inconvenienced, as change overs would be made like the 101 used to be at East Ham Town Hall. - Gareth. The PVR for the 370 is 10 (This includes the dead run to GY and Back) and there are 11 VLA's (Well not actually as some are at DX but there are 4 DLA's left there at GY) If you were to see the Duty Card's for the 370 all this dead run business would be explained, The only reason why you saw another bus come out of GY is probably due to late running or something |
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