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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 21:25:52 GMT
Does anyone know where the VLA vehicles are coming from to replace the current older DLA's on the 370? I take these will probably be 54 / 05-reg vehicles like the ones seen on the 123 and 128? - Gareth.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 3, 2012 21:30:07 GMT
Does anyone know where the VLA vehicles are coming from to replace the current older DLA's on the 370? I take these will probably be 54 / 05-reg vehicles like the ones seen on the 123 and 128? - Gareth. VLA110-122 from Norwood will be the vehicles for the 370. They are 05 reg and some have already passed through ADL at Harlow for refurb and are in store at Southend. |
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Post by john on Jul 4, 2012 13:19:58 GMT
Does anyone know where the VLA vehicles are coming from to replace the current older DLA's on the 370? I take these will probably be 54 / 05-reg vehicles like the ones seen on the 123 and 128? - Gareth. VLA110-122 from Norwood will be the vehicles for the 370. They are 05 reg and some have already passed through ADL at Harlow for refurb and are in store at Southend. No doubt awaiting driver training before they enter service. Would expect them to start filtering into service within the next couple of weeks if that's the case |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 14:12:38 GMT
VLA110-122 from Norwood will be the vehicles for the 370. They are 05 reg and some have already passed through ADL at Harlow for refurb and are in store at Southend. No doubt awaiting driver training before they enter service. Would expect them to start filtering into service within the next couple of weeks if that's the case Have they been seen with any logos ... last pic I saw of them was repainted, refurbed and logo less ... a good sign they will be used for games transport before entering service - unless omeone has seen differently |
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Post by john on Jul 4, 2012 22:11:37 GMT
No doubt awaiting driver training before they enter service. Would expect them to start filtering into service within the next couple of weeks if that's the case Have they been seen with any logos ... last pic I saw of them was repainted, refurbed and logo less ... a good sign they will be used for games transport before entering service - unless omeone has seen differently I know 3997-3999 were delivered without logo's and are, some 4 years later, still without them batr 3998 which gained them while at DT. Could be a case of Southend applying them before being sent to GY. Although your theory carries just as much weight |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 10:16:07 GMT
Thanks guys, so there are 13 of them. (11 for PVR; 2 spares) Which route(s) have these been operating on previously at Norwood then, and did that route get new vehicles to allow these to freed up? (or was the route lost by Arriva?)
I really like the VLA's that are on the 123 and 128, I think they are good vehicles with an excellent upper deck seating capacity of 45, which is extraordinary considering the vehicles are short wheelbase!
The lower deck is also an upgrade on the DLA's currently on the 370, as all the seats apart from the rear are forward facing. I have never understood the DLA's sideward seats, I think they are terrible.
The only draw back of the VLA is the wheelchair bay, which is very small and can only accomodate one buggy. - Gareth.
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Post by COBO on Jul 5, 2012 10:47:12 GMT
Thanks guys, so there are 13 of them. (11 for PVR; 2 spares) Which route(s) have these been operating on previously at Norwood then, and did that route get new vehicles to allow these to freed up? (or was the route lost by Arriva?) I really like the VLA's that are on the 123 and 128, I think they are good vehicles with an excellent upper deck seating capacity of 45, which is extraordinary considering the vehicles are short wheelbase! The lower deck is also an upgrade on the DLA's currently on the 370, as all the seats apart from the rear are forward facing. I have never understood the DLA's sideward seats, I think they are terrible. The only draw back of the VLA is the wheelchair bay, which is very small and can only accomodate one buggy. - Gareth. They previously were on the 249 which was lost to London General in March 2012. |
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 5, 2012 13:54:37 GMT
The lower deck is also an upgrade on the DLA's currently on the 370, as all the seats apart from the rear are forward facing. I have never understood the DLA's sideward seats, I think they are terrible. The Euro3 DLA's don't have sideward seats, though strangely, the Euro3 DLP's do  |
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Post by RM5chris on Jul 5, 2012 15:58:41 GMT
Prefer the sideways arrangement myself...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 17:10:16 GMT
How can you prefer the sideways arrangement? I know its a matter of opinion, but who wants to travel sidewards? It different from a train as a train doesnt turn like a bus, and the seats are high backed making it very enclosed - horrible.
I'm pleased the VLA's are only having a short stay, I have never been a fan of them at all. - Gareth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 17:11:41 GMT
PS Do you think that these buses will have lower case destinations, and what refurbs will be applied? I take it these will get new seat covers, and a re-spray to freshen them up? - Gareth.
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Post by COBO on Jul 5, 2012 17:39:52 GMT
How can you prefer the sideways arrangement? I know its a matter of opinion, but who wants to travel sidewards? It different from a train as a train doesnt turn like a bus, and the seats are high backed making it very enclosed - horrible. I'm pleased the VLA's are only having a short stay, I have never been a fan of them at all. - Gareth. Which VLA's are having stay? |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 5, 2012 17:47:56 GMT
How can you prefer the sideways arrangement? I know its a matter of opinion, but who wants to travel sidewards? It different from a train as a train doesnt turn like a bus, and the seats are high backed making it very enclosed - horrible. I'm pleased the VLA's are only having a short stay, I have never been a fan of them at all. - Gareth. The DLA's are being replaced by the VLA's. Also, I'm pretty sure that the 370's DLA's have standard seats. |
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Post by john on Jul 5, 2012 18:14:22 GMT
How can you prefer the sideways arrangement? I know its a matter of opinion, but who wants to travel sidewards? It different from a train as a train doesnt turn like a bus, and the seats are high backed making it very enclosed - horrible. I'm pleased the VLA's are only having a short stay, I have never been a fan of them at all. - Gareth. The DLA's are being replaced by the VLA's. Also, I'm pretty sure that the 370's DLA's have standard seats. The only seats that are high backed are the side facing rear ones. I'm sorry, but it's a pretty stupid arguement over side facing seats being "horrid" or "terrible". Up until the mid 90's, the side facing seats were standard on all buses. The backwards seats arrangement is actually a very recent development in terms of lower deck layouts |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 21:07:26 GMT
Perhaps it is preference, but I just cannot stand sidewards facing seats! They have always made me feel uneasy as you are not at a front facing angle. I do not like rear-seating either, but I guess the downstairs ones are unavoidable due to the wheel arches.
You are right John, I remember the Titan bus had loads of sideways seats on the lower deck. I know the Titan was a very popular vehicle and my opinion might be because they were aging when I was using them, but I didn't particularly like them and was delighted when they were replaced by low-floor buses.
Perhaps early in their careers they were excellent vehicles, but whenever I boarded an 87, they were smelly, freezing cold in the winter, generally had a poor layout. It also had a central staircase, which I've never been in favour of.
When I used to go to college, fellow students and I would pray a T-reg Trident from the 5 allocation would come as an 87 as we hated the freezing Titans! - Gareth.
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