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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 17:39:35 GMT
I observed one of the S7's that operate on the H&C -(HMS & MGT only) stabled in plt4 this afternoon approx. 15:45, not showing train number '700' that it has been since entering service but '261'. According to the timetable provided the train should of already been at HMS providing it ran in scheduled service. I Think 2 are operating now. 21301/302 has also been seen in service
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 0:08:43 GMT
I like the bendy articulated trains on the Metropolitan and Hammesmith & City line. very spacious and good upgrade from TFL. But time needs to move forward as we are in the future today. That train is like Class 378 on Overground but with 3 doors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 8:28:22 GMT
Unfortunately the ones on the H&C don't make it past Liverpool Street it seems, because they're all C-stock at the East London end!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 22:28:49 GMT
Time will come to what will favor the 1972 & 1973 Stock. D78 Stock live around the same age as Class 315s and 321s from Greater Anglia.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 22:33:15 GMT
The D78 are pretty bad now. But I like the little double beep when the doors open.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 14:50:55 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Dec 10, 2012 2:50:25 GMT
the D stock seems a bit of a waste to withdraw considering it was recently refurbished. But standardisation is better. Perhaps riding the S7/S8 will change that. I thought I had read that the S7 trains to replace D stock had been delayed from 2013 to 2015 onwards because of the cost and recent refurb of D stock. As you say would be a waste to replace them so soon after refurb. The D stock was built 1980-1983 so is younger than the Bakerloo or Piccadilly line fleets (built 1972-77), which aren't yet getting replacements. Some D stocks were already in service back in 1979. I remember seeing them when we used to go to Heathrow on the Picadilly Line.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 10, 2012 17:06:48 GMT
Some D stocks were already in service back in 1979. I remember seeing them when we used to go to Heathrow on the Picadilly Line. They're far slower than the C-stock, for some reason. The D Stock had the same motors as the Piccadilly Line 73 stock, which are pretty quick... I've never had an issue with the speed of the District Line stock I'm looking forward to more S7's coming to the line,as the C stock is looking tired... and to think the last refurb was almost 20 years ago, they've done well, but were nothing compared to the A stock
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Post by snowman on Dec 10, 2012 17:22:23 GMT
They're far slower than the C-stock, for some reason. The D Stock had the same motors as the Piccadilly Line 73 stock, which are pretty quick... I've never had an issue with the speed of the District Line stock I'm looking forward to more S7's coming to the line,as the C stock is looking tired... and to think the last refurb was almost 20 years ago, they've done well, but were nothing compared to the A stock As built the D stock (originally D78) shared a number of components with the 1983 Jubilee stock. However reducing design to the smaller tube stock had flaws. I believe when Jubilee got new trains the old ones were stripped for parts for D stock. The current S7 deliveries are to replace C69 and C77 stock on H&C, circle, Wimbledon-Edgware Road. The C77 top up were for latter but are mixed as trains are made up of three 2 car sets.
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Post by M1104 on Dec 10, 2012 22:15:24 GMT
The S8s are very slow to accelerate. I wonder if the S7s will be faster? I remember seeing somewhere that the S8 are currently limited, to the acceleration levels of A Stock, otherwise there would be a lot of bunching. Could it be also down to the present tracks and signalling on the Met Line, or were they all upgraded beforehand ?
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Post by RM5chris on Dec 10, 2012 22:46:26 GMT
I remember seeing somewhere that the S8 are currently limited, to the acceleration levels of A Stock, otherwise there would be a lot of bunching. Could it be also down to the present tracks and signalling on the Met Line, or were they all upgraded beforehand ? I thought that the A stock had their top line speed reduced due to wear and cracks in their bogies - I would assume that the S stock had to have a lower speed to regulate the service as mentioned in a post above about bunching with faster S tock catching A stock trains? Now the A stock have gone have they raised the S stock speed? (I only use S stock/Metropolitan Line in town and not out on a faster run past Finchley Road).
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Post by daveb0789 on Dec 11, 2012 10:07:15 GMT
No increase in speed or acceleration and most trains now call all stations after Wembley Park. Apparently to do with signal overlaps. Once resignalling is completed and it becomes automated trains will go faster.
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Post by M1104 on Dec 11, 2012 11:55:35 GMT
No increase in speed or acceleration and most trains now call all stations after Wembley Park. Apparently to do with signal overlaps. Once resignalling is completed and it becomes automated trains will go faster. So almost the same situation as the Northern Line, which still have restrictive speed and acceleration nearly fifteen years on.
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Post by daveb0789 on Dec 11, 2012 14:34:09 GMT
Indeed - I don't think transport for london like their drivers whizzing around too fast whether it be buses or tubes (in manual control) lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 17:52:28 GMT
The D Stock had the same motors as the Piccadilly Line 73 stock, which are pretty quick... I've never had an issue with the speed of the District Line stock I'm looking forward to more S7's coming to the line,as the C stock is looking tired... and to think the last refurb was almost 20 years ago, they've done well, but were nothing compared to the A stock Interior-wise the C-stock are most definitely worn out, though they go much faster when I use them between Aldgate and West Ham. No idea why. The single-leaf doors on the D-stock are the other thing that irritates me. I think the reason for the Cs in such a state is lack of care and vandalism on the East end really doesn't help. D stock doors were cheaper and easier to replace I think and was cheaper which is probably why they got single leaf doors. They probably didn't predict that it would be this heavily used in the future. I read somewhere that the Cs and Ds could hit high speeds like 50MPH - 60MPH on the east end back when they were new. It also said that A stocks could go off the clock and that person said one was recorded going up to 83.5 MPH
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