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Post by snoggle on Mar 11, 2013 13:24:22 GMT
What would your candidates be for the "most useless bus route" in London? By "useless" I mean routes that carry few people or take a long time to go nowhere in particular or which you think are just a waste of money and could be withdrawn without anyone noticing. Please note I do not mean routes that just annoy you on a personal level.  I'll offer up the 385 and 389. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 13:53:05 GMT
Route 228 - Goes from absolutely nowhere to nowhere, linking nowhere to nowhere. Silly waste of money by TFL as if someone wants to go from Harlesden to Maida Vale, they can take the 187 instead of going on the 228 via New Zealand and Papa New Guinea.
Route 332 - Just a duplicate 16 till it reaches Paddington Green, it stops nowhere near the station at all. You might as well just get the 16 to Edgware Road Station and walk down the road. If anything just extend the 316 back to Brent Park Tesco.
Route 460 - Literally a duplicate of the 82 from Golders Green to North Finchley, it's not as if the 82 does not have a high frequency already and its just a waste of a route. Extend the 260 back to North Finchley and increase that ridiculous PVR from 16 to 27 using the 460s PVR.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 11, 2013 14:31:07 GMT
Route 415: Was only created for Tulse Hill residents to be linked up with Brixton Road but its rarely takes loads of passengers and and an extension of the 432 (along with increased capacity) over the 415 to Elephant & Castle would create far more links.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 15:48:46 GMT
Yes I was gonna nominate the 415 as well, just pointless.
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 11, 2013 16:39:40 GMT
Route 415: Was only created for Tulse Hill residents to be linked up with Brixton Road but its rarely takes loads of passengers and and an extension of the 432 (along with increased capacity) over the 415 to Elephant & Castle would create far more links. Merge the 415 & 432 and extend it to Elmers End. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 11, 2013 16:42:37 GMT
Before anyone says 129. The 129 is not useless and it actually provides an important link.
The only problem I have with the 129 is that it is a waste of fuel when no passenger even gets on the bus!
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Post by Trident on Mar 11, 2013 16:45:22 GMT
Route 357 - It's just a duplicate of the 97 between Leyton, Bakers Arms & Chingford Mount (I.E. much of the route) and getting to Chingford Hatch would be better via Route W16 which shortcuts via Shernall Street and Highams Park. You also have the 212 from Walthamstow Central that gets there quicker.
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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 11, 2013 16:56:10 GMT
330- A 58 and interchange with 4 other buses will cover this route. No-one will ever again mention 330, except when they refer to the time of course.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 11, 2013 18:22:35 GMT
Route 415: Was only created for Tulse Hill residents to be linked up with Brixton Road but its rarely takes loads of passengers and and an extension of the 432 (along with increased capacity) over the 415 to Elephant & Castle would create far more links. Merge the 415 & 432 and extend it to Elmers End. You know me too well!!! ;D |
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Post by romfordbuses on Mar 11, 2013 18:39:40 GMT
Surprised the 375 hasn't come up yet! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 18:50:24 GMT
Route 13 - Another pointless route along the Finchley Road corridor. Might as well extend the 139 to Golders Green, which at present is only 10 minutes away from West Hampstead and increase the PVR on the 82 to facilitate this change and increase the PVR of the 139 by about 4 buses to 26 to cope with the extra 1mile and a half journey to the Green.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 18:54:29 GMT
Before anyone says 129. The 129 is not useless and it actually provides an important link. The only problem I have with the 129 is that it is a waste of fuel when no passenger even gets on the bus! I agree, it's not useless. To be fair a few of the routes quoted here aren't totally useless if you ask me. The 228 does provide new links to areas around Ladbroke Grove. Does also link a fair few places to Central Middlesex Hospital, so useful in that respect. As for the 332, I was under the impression that was to increase capacity between Cricklewood and Edgware Road, hence the duplication. The 260 is already an hour and 15 minutes end to end, so an extension probably wouldn't be feasible but I agree the 460 is a bit of a loose end, as the 260 and then 82 covers it already. Only place it provides direct links for is North Finchley to places further south. The Cricklewood - Golders Green section is also covered by the 245. The 460 could probably just be absorbed into the 82 with a frequency increase on there. Route 357 - It's just a duplicate of the 97 between Leyton, Bakers Arms & Chingford Mount (I.E. much of the route) and getting to Chingford Hatch would be better via Route W16 which shortcuts via Shernall Street and Highams Park. You also have the 212 from Walthamstow Central that gets there quicker. Agree about this one. The only places the 357 is Whipps Cross to Chingford - but then there are myriad routes you use Walthamstow - Whipps Cross and Walthamstow - Chingford Mount. From Harlesden to Ladbroke Grove all you have to do is take the 18 and then the 52 and its quicker than the 228. If you want to get from Harlesden to White City you can take the 220, again much quicker than the 228. Its a pointless route. With regards to the 260, it was run perfectly fine when it went to North Finchley prior to 2003. With regards to the 332, just increase the PVR on the 16 seeing as the 16 and 332 run off the same rotas. |
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 11, 2013 19:07:50 GMT
349 ;D Just give us back our old 149 service |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 11, 2013 19:18:37 GMT
Route 13 - Another pointless route along the Finchley Road corridor. Might as well extend the 139 to Golders Green, which at present is only 10 minutes away from West Hampstead and increase the PVR on the 82 to facilitate this change and increase the PVR of the 139 by about 4 buses to 26 to cope with the extra 1mile and a half journey to the Green. Wouldn't call this one pointless. Not sure the people of St Johns Wood/Finchley Road/Swiss Cottage would be too happy their bus route to Oxford Street/Trafalgar Sq etc. was cut in favour of a short route that goes a couple of miles from anywhere near them! The 13 is quite a handy link IMO. I've seen it many times with a very healthy load of people. The route should stay. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 11, 2013 19:30:09 GMT
The 13 is quite a handy link IMO. I agree. To be honest, there can't be that many truly pointless routes in London because let's face it TFL wouldn't be funding them. Many would say the R9 is pointless bit it actually isn't. It can be quite busy at times. The R2 to Between Locksbottom and Biggin Hill Valley is pointless IMO, but is a handy link. The R5, R7, R10 all get healthy loadings also. Some routes with PVR 1 are quite busy and useful. Many would say the 209 is pointless. I can assure you it's not. |
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