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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 4, 2022 20:52:28 GMT
People can take the Northern line or other buses like 333, 50, 355 etc. No one will want to travel from somewhere like Stockwell to Tooting by bus because the northern line is quicker. So if the 155 was withdrawn it wouldn't make much difference. Amendments could be made like extending the 50 to E&C so the E&C to Clapham South link is retained What would the passengers between tube stops do? What would happen in the event of tube strikes or signal failures or during engineering works? It would absolutely make a difference if the 155 was gone. They can walk because it's max 10 minutes walk from a tube station to a 155 stop. In the event of strikes/engineering works then there should be a rail replacement bus service
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 4, 2022 20:53:26 GMT
People can take the Northern line or other buses like 333, 50, 355 etc. No one will want to travel from somewhere like Stockwell to Tooting by bus because the northern line is quicker. So if the 155 was withdrawn it wouldn't make much difference. Amendments could be made like extending the 50 to E&C so the E&C to Clapham South link is retained I'd be interested as to where those 6 million passengers who used the 155 in 2019-2020 would go.
One's things for sure - they certainly won't fit onto those 3 routes, especially the 355!
As I said the 50 could be extended, also the 355 could become DD at all times
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 4, 2022 21:04:47 GMT
What would the passengers between tube stops do? What would happen in the event of tube strikes or signal failures or during engineering works? It would absolutely make a difference if the 155 was gone. They can walk because it's max 10 minutes walk from a tube station to a 155 stop. In the event of strikes/engineering works then there should be a rail replacement bus service So someone who has a couple of kids, wants to get them to school is expected to walk “10 minutes” to a tube station, get them down the stairs or escalator, back up at the other end and walk again when they could just as easily get on the convenient bus service that might stop a couple of minutes away. All in the height of rush hour, that makes no sense. So again during emergencies how do TfL organise replacement services or is it just a walk it situation? Pretty tough to tell that to someone who gets off at Morden. Stupid idea.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 4, 2022 21:05:42 GMT
I'd be interested as to where those 6 million passengers who used the 155 in 2019-2020 would go.
One's things for sure - they certainly won't fit onto those 3 routes, especially the 355!
As I said the 50 could be extended, also the 355 could become DD at all times Neither serve the 155s route beyond Clapham Common towards Tooting.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 4, 2022 21:09:30 GMT
What would the passengers between tube stops do? What would happen in the event of tube strikes or signal failures or during engineering works? It would absolutely make a difference if the 155 was gone. They can walk because it's max 10 minutes walk from a tube station to a 155 stop. In the event of strikes/engineering works then there should be a rail replacement bus service You missed the point about stops in between stations! They wouldn’t be served by rail replacement buses. I really don’t like the mindset of trains simply replacing buses! There isn’t unlimited capacity on the train networks. Also be mindful some people can’t afford train fares or can’t use trains for other reasons.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 4, 2022 21:21:35 GMT
They can walk because it's max 10 minutes walk from a tube station to a 155 stop. In the event of strikes/engineering works then there should be a rail replacement bus service You missed the point about stops in between stations! They wouldn’t be served by rail replacement buses. I really don’t like the mindset of trains simply replacing buses! There isn’t unlimited capacity on the train networks. Also be mindful some people can’t afford train fares or can’t use trains for other reasons. Let’s not forget that buses feeding passengers to rail services is a basic reason for passenger growth on these lines. This is something the OP also fails to understand.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 4, 2022 22:08:52 GMT
People can take the Northern line or other buses like 333, 50, 355 etc. No one will want to travel from somewhere like Stockwell to Tooting by bus because the northern line is quicker. So if the 155 was withdrawn it wouldn't make much difference. Amendments could be made like extending the 50 to E&C so the E&C to Clapham South link is retained What would the passengers between tube stops do? What would happen in the event of tube strikes or signal failures or during engineering works? It would absolutely make a difference if the 155 was gone. Also let’s please stop dissing routes in E / SE / S London just because they share 3+ stops with a tube line. By that logic half the routes in N London deserve to be culled given the preponderance of tube lines and the overlap
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Post by vjaska on Jul 4, 2022 22:38:40 GMT
Have a look at the 155 your opinion will change on it being useless. People can take the Northern line or other buses like 333, 50, 355 etc. No one will want to travel from somewhere like Stockwell to Tooting by bus because the northern line is quicker. So if the 155 was withdrawn it wouldn't make much difference. Amendments could be made like extending the 50 to E&C so the E&C to Clapham South link is retained Sorry but your have absolutely no idea what your on about - have you even used the 155 or Northern Line for that matter because your continual defence of your absurd idea suggests it's a resounding no. And the 50 is along enough without putting an extension on top of it as some sort of compromise.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 5, 2022 5:04:26 GMT
They can walk because it's max 10 minutes walk from a tube station to a 155 stop. In the event of strikes/engineering works then there should be a rail replacement bus service You missed the point about stops in between stations! They wouldn’t be served by rail replacement buses. I really don’t like the mindset of trains simply replacing buses! There isn’t unlimited capacity on the train networks. Also be mindful some people can’t afford train fares or can’t use trains for other reasons. Train fares are barely anymore expensive than buses outside of zone 1 though,
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Post by greenboy on Jul 5, 2022 6:34:26 GMT
I see your logic passingfordbridgeboy. However, my only concern with this would be the time taken between Newbury Park Station and KGH going the long way round?
TfL had an ambition years ago of extending the W19 up along Aldborugh Road South and North to terminate at Aldborough Hatch. The W19 has moved on from the every 30 minute service it was back then and I know that none of the current routes that terminate at Ilford are ideal for extension. 179 has double deck buses and probably too high a frequency. 462, might become to long and unreliable. 25, 123, 147, 296, 364, 425 and EL1 are all a firm no. Extend the 167, would that be a step to far?!
Or could something small such as Rebridge station, Wanstead Park Lane, Ilford, Ley Street, Vicarage Lane, Aldborough Road South, Aldborough Hatch be introduced? Serving new roads at a low frequency.
I agree that the principle of serving the Alborough Road area needs to be visited. Just don't know how!
Or, totally out of left field, extend 396 from Ilford via High Road, Hainault Street, Ley Street, Benton Rd, Aldborough Road Sth, Meads Lane,Percy Road, Barley Lane , back to KGH, turning it circular, 396 one way, 596 the other direction. I think that's an interesting idea and your previous suggestion. I'm not surprised that the 396 comes up so often, if it operated according to demand it would probably be hourly and rather than wait around most people would walk to and from the 296 stop.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 5, 2022 6:53:43 GMT
Or, totally out of left field, extend 396 from Ilford via High Road, Hainault Street, Ley Street, Benton Rd, Aldborough Road Sth, Meads Lane,Percy Road, Barley Lane , back to KGH, turning it circular, 396 one way, 596 the other direction. I think that's an interesting idea and your previous suggestion. I'm not surprised that the 396 comes up so often, if it operated according to demand it would probably be hourly and rather than wait around most people would walk to and from the 296 stop. Again, look up the definition of useless
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Post by dla314 on Jul 5, 2022 7:03:56 GMT
You missed the point about stops in between stations! They wouldn’t be served by rail replacement buses. I really don’t like the mindset of trains simply replacing buses! There isn’t unlimited capacity on the train networks. Also be mindful some people can’t afford train fares or can’t use trains for other reasons. Train fares are barely anymore expensive than buses outside of zone 1 though, That still doesn't mean that train is the more attractive option. Buses have a flat fare at all times, trains do not.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 5, 2022 7:35:01 GMT
What would the passengers between tube stops do? What would happen in the event of tube strikes or signal failures or during engineering works? It would absolutely make a difference if the 155 was gone. They can walk because it's max 10 minutes walk from a tube station to a 155 stop. In the event of strikes/engineering works then there should be a rail replacement bus service The 155 operates directly to the major hospital in SW London and has sufficient demand to justify a daytime frequency of every 8 minutes. People clearly prefer it over the Underground for some journeys along the corridor. If the route wasn't so well used it would be every 12 or even every 15 minutes (it would still operate because of the hospital link).
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Post by WH241 on Jul 5, 2022 8:35:48 GMT
You missed the point about stops in between stations! They wouldn’t be served by rail replacement buses. I really don’t like the mindset of trains simply replacing buses! There isn’t unlimited capacity on the train networks. Also be mindful some people can’t afford train fares or can’t use trains for other reasons. Train fares are barely anymore expensive than buses outside of zone 1 though, Buses have a daily cap though! Not everyone can afford to waste money on train fares. Also I said before not everyone can use trains for various reasons.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 5, 2022 8:41:34 GMT
Whilst some are not surprised about the 396 coming up I am the opposite and surprised it comes up so much! It serves a useful purpose linking to the hospital. To suggest people could walk to the 296 stop must be a joke especially if you are visiting the hospital for a medical reason.
At my local hospital they are recently increased the amount of bus routes serving the hospital so clearly these links are needed and used. Even in the central London consultation they are maintaining the link to Barts (The choice of routes if debatable but the point still stands buses need to serve hospitals).
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