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Post by ibus246 on Sept 17, 2022 21:30:59 GMT
Most people eating “chicken boxes” I’ve seen tend to use their hands and then they are shiny like a new babies forehead with grease. Maybe you’re in the minority. Full bus or no full bus it doesn’t make a difference - what about the driver having to smell the disgusting stench of greasy food. So you’re expecting a driver to pull over a full bus, demand a passenger get off, call a code to NMCC and potentially get the police out over food? No sane driver would enforce this in the same way no sane underground gate staff enforce the ban on alcohol. Did I say that? Did I mention how it be enforced? Did I present you a fully costed plan? You’ll find the answer is no. It was an off the cuff comment.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2022 22:13:00 GMT
So you’re expecting a driver to pull over a full bus, demand a passenger get off, call a code to NMCC and potentially get the police out over food? No sane driver would enforce this in the same way no sane underground gate staff enforce the ban on alcohol. Did I say that? Did I mention how it be enforced? Did I present you a fully costed plan? You’ll find the answer is no. It was an off the cuff comment. You can’t just say food should be banned on buses and have zero idea how to do it. It’s completely unenforceable so sit back, shut up and let the person eat their d*mn chicken.
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Post by ibus246 on Sept 17, 2022 22:17:38 GMT
Did I say that? Did I mention how it be enforced? Did I present you a fully costed plan? You’ll find the answer is no. It was an off the cuff comment. You can’t just say food should be banned on buses and have zero idea how to do it. It’s completely unenforceable so sit back, shut up and let the person eat their d*mn chicken. How vile you sound - can assure you that most passengers think eating hot smelly food is disgusting and totally uninviting. Fortunately I drive so rarely take the bus and it was passenger behaviour like that which put me off
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2022 22:35:40 GMT
You can’t just say food should be banned on buses and have zero idea how to do it. It’s completely unenforceable so sit back, shut up and let the person eat their d*mn chicken. How vile you sound - can assure you that most passengers think eating hot smelly food is disgusting and totally uninviting. Fortunately I drive so rarely take the bus and it was passenger behaviour like that which put me off People might think it’s disgusting but they aren’t gonna say anything other than slight muttering under their breath. It’s exactly the same with the alcohol, we might mutter and say to our seat neighbour “they shouldn’t be drinking here” but nobody is realistically gonna challenge anyone, not in an age when youth carry weapons like most carry mobile phones. Perhaps the person eating has come off a night shift, perhaps they are diabetic and need to eat, perhaps they are vulnerable or perhaps they just don’t care what busy bodies think about them. So many factors to consider and frankly so many more things to care about these days.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 17, 2022 23:01:52 GMT
You can’t just say food should be banned on buses and have zero idea how to do it. It’s completely unenforceable so sit back, shut up and let the person eat their d*mn chicken. How vile you sound - can assure you that most passengers think eating hot smelly food is disgusting and totally uninviting. Fortunately I drive so rarely take the bus and it was passenger behaviour like that which put me off Jesus why are you both having a (sort of) argument about whether food should be banned on a bus? Not trying to take a side but I don't think food should be banned on a bus (or train for that matter). Whether you choose to eat smelly or greasy food on public transport is completely your choice and your responsibility to clean up after yourself if you do make a mess. Also the comment regarding the comparison to taking alcohol onto a train isn't comparable at all - drinking alcohol will obviously do more harm than eating smelly food. Back to the most useless routes in London...
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2022 23:08:07 GMT
How vile you sound - can assure you that most passengers think eating hot smelly food is disgusting and totally uninviting. Fortunately I drive so rarely take the bus and it was passenger behaviour like that which put me off Jesus why are you both having a (sort of) argument about whether food should be banned on a bus? Not trying to take a side but I don't think food should be banned on a bus (or train for that matter). Whether you choose to eat smelly or greasy food on public transport is completely your choice and your responsibility to clean up after yourself if you do make a mess. Also the comment regarding the comparison to taking alcohol onto a train isn't comparable at all - drinking alcohol will obviously do more harm than eating smelly food. Back to the most useless routes in London... Just for the record I put questions to the OP on their assertion that hot food should be banned and they decided to get defensive, so… Also my comment was related to how the ban on alcohol on public transport in London is completely unenforceable as would a ban on hot food. It’s entirely relevant to the point I was making.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 17, 2022 23:30:56 GMT
How vile you sound - can assure you that most passengers think eating hot smelly food is disgusting and totally uninviting. Fortunately I drive so rarely take the bus and it was passenger behaviour like that which put me off Jesus why are you both having a (sort of) argument about whether food should be banned on a bus? Not trying to take a side but I don't think food should be banned on a bus (or train for that matter). Whether you choose to eat smelly or greasy food on public transport is completely your choice and your responsibility to clean up after yourself if you do make a mess. Also the comment regarding the comparison to taking alcohol onto a train isn't comparable at all - drinking alcohol will obviously do more harm than eating smelly food. Back to the most useless routes in London... Why will drinking alcohol obviously cause more harm? Many bus operators do not allow eating hot takeaway food on buses just as consuming alcohol isn't allowed on TfL services. The vast majority comply with these rules so I don't really see what the problem is?
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 18, 2022 5:23:16 GMT
I have brought ‘smelly food’ on the bus a few times, when I’m collecting my take away and it’s raining. I also got caught short last week waiting for a 507, whilst eating my chicken tikka wrap… I don’t eat it on the bus itself but I’m sure the smell permeates from the bag/packaging I don’t like doing it and am myself not a fan of the smells but ehhh I’ve gone soft and don’t mind the smell (and taste!) of a good fried chicken. McDonald’s can go to hell though, everything from that place just smells bizarre and vile.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jan 6, 2023 12:58:01 GMT
I think that the 357 is a good candidate for withdrawal, the W16 gets to Whipps Cross faster than the 357 from Chingford Hatch and Mount, most of the 357 is the 97 and half of it is the 257
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 6, 2023 13:11:16 GMT
I think that the 357 is a good candidate for withdrawal, the W16 gets to Whipps Cross faster than the 357 from Chingford Hatch and Mount, most of the 357 is the 97 and half of it is the 257 That is about one of the best posts you have said. I cannot stand the 357, ever since its inception and cutting back from Chingford Station to Chingford Hatch and losing the 97A number
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Post by routew15 on Jan 6, 2023 13:19:17 GMT
I think that the 357 is a good candidate for withdrawal, the W16 gets to Whipps Cross faster than the 357 from Chingford Hatch and Mount, most of the 357 is the 97 and half of it is the 257 That is about one of the best posts you have said. I cannot stand the 357, ever since its inception and cutting back from Chingford Station to Chingford Hatch and losing the 97A number I agree and it is a shame the Review of Buses in Waltham Forest that TfL did, didn’t have much to say about doing anything with the 357. Outside of withdrawing the route completely It would have been good to see them propose something like withdrawn from Whipps Cross and instead diverted via the W19 to Argall Avenue continuing onto Lea Bridge Station, Leyton Mills, then Ruckholt Road, Temple Mills Lane, and terminating at Stratford City.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2023 16:04:25 GMT
That is about one of the best posts you have said. I cannot stand the 357, ever since its inception and cutting back from Chingford Station to Chingford Hatch and losing the 97A number I agree and it is a shame the Review of Buses in Waltham Forest that TfL did, didn’t have much to say about doing anything with the 357. Outside of withdrawing the route completely It would have been good to see them propose something like withdrawn from Whipps Cross and instead diverted via the W19 to Argall Avenue continuing onto Lea Bridge Station, Leyton Mills, then Ruckholt Road, Temple Mills Lane, and terminating at Stratford City. Didn't the late snoggle champion how useful the 357 was at assisting the other routes along the corridor as well as providing more of a link to the hospital that parts of Chingford Mount wouldn't have given the W16 doesn't serve as much?
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Post by abellion on Jan 6, 2023 17:42:30 GMT
I think that the 357 is a good candidate for withdrawal, the W16 gets to Whipps Cross faster than the 357 from Chingford Hatch and Mount, most of the 357 is the 97 and half of it is the 257 It’s almost sad how the 357 has been dragged through the mud for its years on here, deserved or not. The 414 at least got a break now that it’s been cut back
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Post by northlondon83 on Jan 6, 2023 18:28:42 GMT
I agree and it is a shame the Review of Buses in Waltham Forest that TfL did, didn’t have much to say about doing anything with the 357. Outside of withdrawing the route completely It would have been good to see them propose something like withdrawn from Whipps Cross and instead diverted via the W19 to Argall Avenue continuing onto Lea Bridge Station, Leyton Mills, then Ruckholt Road, Temple Mills Lane, and terminating at Stratford City. Didn't the late snoggle champion how useful the 357 was at assisting the other routes along the corridor as well as providing more of a link to the hospital that parts of Chingford Mount wouldn't have given the W16 doesn't serve as much? I do give credit to the 357 for being the only hospital link between Chingford Mount and Walthamstow, otherwise it's just duplication of a lot of local routes
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 6, 2023 18:32:36 GMT
Didn't the late snoggle champion how useful the 357 was at assisting the other routes along the corridor as well as providing more of a link to the hospital that parts of Chingford Mount wouldn't have given the W16 doesn't serve as much? I do give credit to the 357 for being the only hospital link between Chingford Mount and Walthamstow, otherwise it's just duplication of a lot of local routes Duplication = extra capacity and support. I'm sure if the 357 was that useless it would have been withdrawn before now.
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