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Post by TP1 on Dec 6, 2020 8:47:07 GMT
The posts you've quoted literally tell you that they do (or at least are developing one-think there's a video of one being tested at Millbrook)🤦 No major UK Operator will buy buses from them even if they make them.. Why?
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 6, 2020 9:38:22 GMT
The posts you've quoted literally tell you that they do (or at least are developing one-think there's a video of one being tested at Millbrook)🤦 No major UK Operator will buy buses from them even if they make them.. How do you know? People were saying the same thing about the Metrodecker, and how it will get no orders and yet, look now. Metroline, Go Ahead, First, Tower Transit Already 106 buses from those 4 operators.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 6, 2020 12:54:49 GMT
The posts you've quoted literally tell you that they do (or at least are developing one-think there's a video of one being tested at Millbrook)🤦 No major UK Operator will buy buses from them even if they make them.. Major companies are operating their vans/trucks, why not their buses? Think visually the bus looks very good, and from the description, some of the concepts very credible. Let's face it, if Optare/Smart can sell buses in the UK, any company potentially can. Hyundai and Kia are two motoring companies to have invested in them and UPS as a customer has also invested in them.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2020 13:25:20 GMT
No major UK Operator will buy buses from them even if they make them.. Major companies are operating their vans/trucks, why not their buses? Think visually the bus looks very good, and from the description, some of the concepts very credible. Let's face it, if Optare/Smart can sell buses in the UK, any company potentially can. Hyundai and Kia are two motoring companies to have invested in them and UPS as a customer has also invested in them. Have to disagree with it visually but yeah, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able sell buses here if the interest is there.
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Post by snowman on Dec 6, 2020 13:57:58 GMT
Major companies are operating their vans/trucks, why not their buses? Think visually the bus looks very good, and from the description, some of the concepts very credible. Let's face it, if Optare/Smart can sell buses in the UK, any company potentially can. Hyundai and Kia are two motoring companies to have invested in them and UPS as a customer has also invested in them. Have to disagree with it visually but yeah, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able sell buses here if the interest is there. The concept is the scalable skateboard platform. The aim is to produce an electric bus at similar price to diesel one, I suspect it won’t fully match the price, but if it is much closer then no reason why it won’t sell. UPS invested and ordered 10000 vans, obviously don’t want a bus resembling a bread van with windows (even if that was popular 30 years ago), but don’t need to reinvent the running gear, if one size will work regardless of body style attached
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 6, 2020 15:22:32 GMT
Major companies are operating their vans/trucks, why not their buses? Think visually the bus looks very good, and from the description, some of the concepts very credible. Let's face it, if Optare/Smart can sell buses in the UK, any company potentially can. Hyundai and Kia are two motoring companies to have invested in them and UPS as a customer has also invested in them. Have to disagree with it visually but yeah, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able sell buses here if the interest is there. The van has been enhanced to look more van like, rather than resembling the mini road sweepers the previous version did ... can see that becoming more popular ... Still don't think main stream production has started yet.
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Post by snowman on Dec 8, 2020 9:50:33 GMT
With much discussion in the tender threads regarding how many buses BYD-ADL could build, this article on BYD expanding their Hungary factory may be of interest, seems that 300 chassis per year can be built for ADL I have to admit someone had indicated 400 chassis previously, a figure I reused in discussion, but that does seem to be wrong, and suggests could be quite a squeeze if ADL pick up too many electric bus orders tekdeeps.com/byd-auto-motor-is-five-times-its-production-capacity-in-komarom/
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Post by bertrell on Dec 8, 2020 10:46:36 GMT
With much discussion in the tender threads regarding how many buses BYD-ADL could build, this article on BYD expanding their Hungary factory may be of interest, seems that 300 chassis per year can be built for ADL I have to admit someone had indicated 400 chassis previously, a figure I reused in discussion, but that does seem to be wrong, and suggests could be quite a squeeze if ADL pick up too many electric bus orders tekdeeps.com/byd-auto-motor-is-five-times-its-production-capacity-in-komarom/They can be built on mainland China too right? The Chasiss that is!
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 8, 2020 11:07:21 GMT
With much discussion in the tender threads regarding how many buses BYD-ADL could build, this article on BYD expanding their Hungary factory may be of interest, seems that 300 chassis per year can be built for ADL I have to admit someone had indicated 400 chassis previously, a figure I reused in discussion, but that does seem to be wrong, and suggests could be quite a squeeze if ADL pick up too many electric bus orders tekdeeps.com/byd-auto-motor-is-five-times-its-production-capacity-in-komarom/Was always going to be that BYD would want to supply more complete buses rather than just chassis. Hungary previously had capacity for 1000 chassis but only 400 bodies. So capacity is (at least) 1000 complete buses in Hungary plus 300 chassis for ADL. What does not seem to be mentioned, is if BYD retains the facility in France to body another 200 chassis, if so means the capacity increase of the Hungary factory is +50% for chassis, +150% for body work, and -25% for ADL
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Post by bertrell on Dec 8, 2020 11:17:50 GMT
With much discussion in the tender threads regarding how many buses BYD-ADL could build, this article on BYD expanding their Hungary factory may be of interest, seems that 300 chassis per year can be built for ADL I have to admit someone had indicated 400 chassis previously, a figure I reused in discussion, but that does seem to be wrong, and suggests could be quite a squeeze if ADL pick up too many electric bus orders tekdeeps.com/byd-auto-motor-is-five-times-its-production-capacity-in-komarom/Was always going to be that BYD would want to supply more complete buses rather than just chassis. Hungary previously had capacity for 1000 chassis but only 400 bodies. So capacity is (at least) 1000 complete buses in Hungary plus 300 chassis for ADL. What does not seem to be mentioned, is if BYD retains the facility in France to body another 200 chassis, if so means the capacity increase of the Hungary factory is +50% for chassis, +150% for body work, and -25% for ADL I suspect Chasiss orders were placed early by RATP/ Stagecoach London etc. Do you need any details any Electrical chargers at Holloway/ Potters bar /NP/Q ? And as a bonus I can confirm that Holloway has 2 Optare Chargers at HT. Yes, you read that right!
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 8, 2020 11:26:59 GMT
Was always going to be that BYD would want to supply more complete buses rather than just chassis. Hungary previously had capacity for 1000 chassis but only 400 bodies. So capacity is (at least) 1000 complete buses in Hungary plus 300 chassis for ADL. What does not seem to be mentioned, is if BYD retains the facility in France to body another 200 chassis, if so means the capacity increase of the Hungary factory is +50% for chassis, +150% for body work, and -25% for ADL I suspect Chasiss orders were placed early by RATP/ Stagecoach London etc. Do you need any details any Electrical chargers at Holloway/ Potters bar /NP/Q ? And as a bonus I can confirm that Holloway has 2 Optare Chargers at HT. Yes, you read that right! Does not matter how early those orders are, but those 2 would take up nearly two thirds of ADLs chassis supply. With other orders both for London and outside, cant see ADL being able to offer many more electric packages in 2021. It is the equivalent of 25 vehicles a month, RATPs order is nearly 6 months worth of supplies
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Post by bertrell on Dec 8, 2020 12:28:11 GMT
I suspect Chasiss orders were placed early by RATP/ Stagecoach London etc. Do you need any details any Electrical chargers at Holloway/ Potters bar /NP/Q ? And as a bonus I can confirm that Holloway has 2 Optare Chargers at HT. Yes, you read that right! Does not matter how early those orders are, but those 2 would take up nearly two thirds of ADLs chassis supply. With other orders both for London and outside, cant see ADL being able to offer many more electric packages in 2021. It is the equivalent of 25 vehicles a month, RATPs order is nearly 6 months worth of supplies Remember, its only Chasiss their building. There is no hurry as they can just use existing or hired buses until everything is ready.
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 8, 2020 12:29:20 GMT
Sorry for doubting anyone, but where has the 400 chassis per year limit been confirmed? For example the 507/521 BYD chassis's came from China I believe so can't ADL get BYD chassis's from Europe and China?
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Post by bertrell on Dec 8, 2020 12:53:32 GMT
Sorry for doubting anyone, but where has the 400 chassis per year limit been confirmed? For example the 507/521 BYD chassis's came from China I believe so can't ADL get BYD chassis's from Europe and China? I believe China can build them and ship them at will, so i see no problems their as they work around the clock daily.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 13:14:19 GMT
Sorry for doubting anyone, but where has the 400 chassis per year limit been confirmed? For example the 507/521 BYD chassis's came from China I believe so can't ADL get BYD chassis's from Europe and China? I believe China can build them and ship them at will, so i see no problems their as they work around the clock daily. However at the moment there are very few specialised containers in China available to mass move the chassis to Europe which could prove a problem in the next few months. Most of it is tied up across the world shipping PPE or commercial goods.
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