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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 24, 2021 15:30:16 GMT
Surprisingly ADL doesn't metion about pantograph charging option on a E200EV as that would have been useful for the 358 with its long duties in mileage terms.
When Wright and Volvo tried something similar with the VHPs it never ended up taking off and the charging stations at Putney Heath and Peckham never ended up materialising. Probably because the buses were extended range Hybrids as opposed to full electrics so TfL never saw them as a worthwhile investment. I imagine now it's being used on fully electric buses it might gather more interest. The 111 is coming up for tender, a route very similar to the 358 in terms of milage. Probably even worse due to its PVR, more stop start nature and being a double decker route. It will be interesting to see whether it gets electric buses on tender. Both Kingston and Heathrow Central could be decent spots for pantographs to be fitted.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 24, 2021 15:58:47 GMT
Surprisingly ADL doesn't metion about pantograph charging option on a E200EV as that would have been useful for the 358 with its long duties in mileage terms.
Pantograph charging for single decks would require either low chargers, or long pantographs. Another disadvantage is that buses would have to be more-or-less guaranteed to have stand time at the terminal(s), in London conditions that is impossible to achieve on some days, indeed some journeys don't even get as far as the terminals let alone get stand time there.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 24, 2021 16:19:56 GMT
Surprisingly ADL doesn't metion about pantograph charging option on a E200EV as that would have been useful for the 358 with its long duties in mileage terms.
Pantograph charging for single decks would require either low chargers, or long pantographs. Another disadvantage is that buses would have to be more-or-less guaranteed to have stand time at the terminal(s), in London conditions that is impossible to achieve on some days, indeed some journeys don't even get as far as the terminals let alone get stand time there. Surely any top-up is better than none?
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Post by vjaska on Mar 24, 2021 16:42:17 GMT
Surprisingly ADL doesn't metion about pantograph charging option on a E200EV as that would have been useful for the 358 with its long duties in mileage terms.
When Wright and Volvo tried something similar with the VHPs it never ended up taking off and the charging stations at Putney Heath and Peckham never ended up materialising. Probably because the buses were extended range Hybrids as opposed to full electrics so TfL never saw them as a worthwhile investment. I imagine now it's being used on fully electric buses it might gather more interest. The 111 is coming up for tender, a route very similar to the 358 in terms of milage. Probably even worse due to its PVR, more stop start nature and being a double decker route. It will be interesting to see whether it gets electric buses on tender. Both Kingston and Heathrow Central could be decent spots for pantographs to be fitted. The only issue I see with the 111 is space is a premium at either end to fit an Oppcharge pantograph unlike the proposed 37 where Putney Heath stand is pretty spacious. Interestingly, I'm struggling to think where at Peckham Bus Station one could of been fitted other than by the actual stops as there isn't space at the stands.
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 24, 2021 17:01:19 GMT
When Wright and Volvo tried something similar with the VHPs it never ended up taking off and the charging stations at Putney Heath and Peckham never ended up materialising. Probably because the buses were extended range Hybrids as opposed to full electrics so TfL never saw them as a worthwhile investment. I imagine now it's being used on fully electric buses it might gather more interest. The 111 is coming up for tender, a route very similar to the 358 in terms of milage. Probably even worse due to its PVR, more stop start nature and being a double decker route. It will be interesting to see whether it gets electric buses on tender. Both Kingston and Heathrow Central could be decent spots for pantographs to be fitted. The only issue I see with the 111 is space is a premium at either end to fit an Oppcharge pantograph unlike the proposed 37 where Putney Heath stand is pretty spacious. Interestingly, I'm struggling to think where at Peckham Bus Station one could of been fitted other than by the actual stops as there isn't space at the stands. Tbh Putney Heath is very hit & miss. If you wait for example at 4pm on a weekday, one day the stands might be overflowing (last bus sticking out slightly with hazards on) and the next it might be nearly empty, with only 2 other buses. Would like to see it expanded slightly though I doubt anyone has ever considered it
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Post by vjaska on Mar 24, 2021 17:14:52 GMT
The only issue I see with the 111 is space is a premium at either end to fit an Oppcharge pantograph unlike the proposed 37 where Putney Heath stand is pretty spacious. Interestingly, I'm struggling to think where at Peckham Bus Station one could of been fitted other than by the actual stops as there isn't space at the stands. Tbh Putney Heath is very hit & miss. If you wait for example at 4pm on a weekday, one day the stands might be overflowing (last bus sticking out slightly with hazards on) and the next it might be nearly empty, with only 2 other buses. Would like to see it expanded slightly though I doubt anyone has ever considered it I was referring to the space surrounding the stand as apposed to stand space itself
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Post by snowman on Mar 24, 2021 17:54:01 GMT
When Wright and Volvo tried something similar with the VHPs it never ended up taking off and the charging stations at Putney Heath and Peckham never ended up materialising. Probably because the buses were extended range Hybrids as opposed to full electrics so TfL never saw them as a worthwhile investment. I imagine now it's being used on fully electric buses it might gather more interest. The 111 is coming up for tender, a route very similar to the 358 in terms of milage. Probably even worse due to its PVR, more stop start nature and being a double decker route. It will be interesting to see whether it gets electric buses on tender. Both Kingston and Heathrow Central could be decent spots for pantographs to be fitted. The only issue I see with the 111 is space is a premium at either end to fit an Oppcharge pantograph unlike the proposed 37 where Putney Heath stand is pretty spacious. Interestingly, I'm struggling to think where at Peckham Bus Station one could of been fitted other than by the actual stops as there isn't space at the stands. I think Kingston Cromwell Road could be fitted with the overhead on the relevant bays, but no one seems to have thought to make provision in the design for when it is rebuilt (if it ever happens)
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 24, 2021 19:13:51 GMT
Tbh Putney Heath is very hit & miss. If you wait for example at 4pm on a weekday, one day the stands might be overflowing (last bus sticking out slightly with hazards on) and the next it might be nearly empty, with only 2 other buses. Would like to see it expanded slightly though I doubt anyone has ever considered it I was referring to the space surrounding the stand as apposed to stand space itself Gotcha, yeah regarding the pavement space that is pretty good. Haven't done a diagram in ages( ), so here's my idea if opportunity charging was to be installed for the 37 at Putney Heath. -The Offside Stands reserved for 37 -Panto Equipment to be installed on the pavement on the triangle. Most people wait more by the shelter so would be better to block off the lesser used area than the pavement on the onside. (Red is reserved/not publicly accessible, Green is accessible) As you can see, most of the triangle would still be open, especially the part where passengers wait Attachment Deleted
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Post by Gellico on Mar 24, 2021 20:16:47 GMT
Seems that BYD-ADL is booming with electric bus orders In addition to the batch for GoAhead and pair for CT plus due soon I gather now have orders from Stagecoach (25) Abellio (29) Arriva (22) RATP are rumoured to have nearly 200 on order Outside London, there are 22 for First Glasgow, and some for McGills Another 172 electric buses for Scotland announced today (to be built Falkirk) First Leeds has ordered 5 electric E400s Coventry is rumoured to have signed off 150+ (with many to be ready ahead of Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games) Not pure electric, but there are 180 E400MMCs virtual electric for Ireland So adding in diesel buses, and probable unannounced orders, I suspect ADL order book is back over 1000 buses And many more orders yet to come, I wonder if ADL will introduce 9.0m bodies for BYD. I am convinced that ADL could slap a MMC body on just about anything at this point, the issue is that BYD don't offer a 9m chassis to put a body on yet. I have read somewhere a 9.2m was created however that will also be too long for some routes.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Mar 24, 2021 20:24:53 GMT
Surprisingly ADL doesn't metion about pantograph charging option on a E200EV as that would have been useful for the 358 with its long duties in mileage terms.
According to a post on Facebook, route 132’s batch of Enviro400EVs is expected to be this version of the Enviro400EV.
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Post by Gellico on Mar 24, 2021 20:25:01 GMT
Surprisingly ADL doesn't metion about pantograph charging option on a E200EV as that would have been useful for the 358 with its long duties in mileage terms.
When Wright and Volvo tried something similar with the VHPs it never ended up taking off and the charging stations at Putney Heath and Peckham never ended up materialising. Probably because the buses were extended range Hybrids as opposed to full electrics so TfL never saw them as a worthwhile investment. I imagine now it's being used on fully electric buses it might gather more interest. The 111 is coming up for tender, a route very similar to the 358 in terms of milage. Probably even worse due to its PVR, more stop start nature and being a double decker route. It will be interesting to see whether it gets electric buses on tender. Both Kingston and Heathrow Central could be decent spots for pantographs to be fitted. The 2x VHPs were acquired directly by TFL and the charging ports were to be paid for and installed by TFL, hence they were cut because it was easy on TFL's behalf. The new system is different in the sense that the pantograph is static, unlike the VHPs where it is part of the bus. Also the new system is to premier at BX in the forecourt where Ees will come off the 132, have a top up then go back out on the road. This system is being installed by GAL and NOT by TFL, none of the infrastructure is anything to do with TFL this time around since it will be in the garage. This system can also be used in locations where space is at an absolute premium (Looks at WL with the 63...), as such I can see this becoming an almost standard feature on all upcoming E400EVs going forward as it just adds to that flexibility. Would not be surprised if BYD offered installation upgrades to the existing fleets already in service tbh. As for the 358 it does indeed make sense however if the desire is to have all static pantographs at one height then the booms are going to have to be fairly substantial. It makes little sense to have DD and SD specific booms.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 24, 2021 20:25:51 GMT
And many more orders yet to come, I wonder if ADL will introduce 9.0m bodies for BYD. I am convinced that ADL could slap a MMC body on just about anything at this point, the issue is that BYD don't offer a 9m chassis to put a body on yet. I have read somewhere a 9.2m was created however that will also be too long for some routes. They offer a 8.7m model in Europe. However, it is of lightweight construction, rather than heavyweight, so would probably need quite a lot of body adjustments if ADL were to offer it.
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Post by Gellico on Mar 24, 2021 20:25:58 GMT
Surprisingly ADL doesn't metion about pantograph charging option on a E200EV as that would have been useful for the 358 with its long duties in mileage terms.
According to a post on Facebook, route 132’s batch of Enviro400EVs is expected to be this version of the Enviro400EV. Yup, with the pantographs in the very visible forecourt. Should make for some good viewing!
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Post by Gellico on Mar 24, 2021 20:27:34 GMT
I am convinced that ADL could slap a MMC body on just about anything at this point, the issue is that BYD don't offer a 9m chassis to put a body on yet. I have read somewhere a 9.2m was created however that will also be too long for some routes. They offer a 8.7m model in Europe. However, it is of lightweight construction, rather than heavyweight, so would probably need quite a lot of body adjustments if ADL were to offer it. I cannot imagine it would really be suitable for the TFL market, by the time all the additions are made to make it compliant it'll no doubt weigh an extra tonne and have rubbish range as a result.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 24, 2021 20:36:37 GMT
According to a post on Facebook, route 132’s batch of Enviro400EVs is expected to be this version of the Enviro400EV. Yup, with the pantographs in the very visible forecourt. Should make for some good viewing! Hhhmmm, if you can suspend charging points in the roofs of garages, no space constraints
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