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Post by SILENCED on Apr 19, 2022 13:40:01 GMT
How comes Diesel and Hybrid buses are still considered for contracts, shouldn't it be all Electric as 2030 is under 8 years away. Finances. In case you had not heard TfLs are not very good.
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Post by snowman on Apr 19, 2022 14:02:18 GMT
How comes Diesel and Hybrid buses are still considered for contracts, shouldn't it be all Electric as 2030 is under 8 years away. TfL decided that new buses have to be zero emission, but existing buses that are half way through their life (which seems to be anything upto about 9 years old) can be offered for any contract Single decks were made zero emission about 2.5 years ago, but was only about 6 months ago that it was extended to double deck. Buses already ordered but not delivered were ok, and from memory the K1 batch were last diesel single decks. However, no one has ordered a hybrid double deck for London since 2020 as the residual value risk meant voluntarily getting electric buses (which could definitely do second contract) was better value
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2022 14:33:03 GMT
How comes Diesel and Hybrid buses are still considered for contracts, shouldn't it be all Electric as 2030 is under 8 years away. Finances. In case you had not heard TfLs are not very good. Even without the financial situation, existing diesels and hybrids were still to be offered for new contracts as I don't think the 2030 deadline would ever of been met anyway and I suspect a 2035-37 deadline would of likely happened instead which they can still aim for.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 19, 2022 15:27:34 GMT
How comes Diesel and Hybrid buses are still considered for contracts, shouldn't it be all Electric as 2030 is under 8 years away. 2030 is an aspiration of TfL, but it depends on the long-term funding being agreed with the Government - the current settlement only runs until June and negotiations are ongoing. It is thought that TfL may agree to zero-emission by 2034 as a compromise. TfL also has to consider the rate of fleet replacement. It is not helpful, either to TfL or to vehicle manufacturers, to have a massive peak in demand followed by no orders at all for several years. So some contracts will of necessity be awarded with existing hybrid and diesel buses which are not yet fully depreciated and still have a useful life in London. These vehicles all meet the strictest EuroVI emissions standards so this is an acceptable compromise.
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Post by yunus on May 3, 2022 14:14:13 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on May 3, 2022 15:08:30 GMT
Doesn't really tell us anything we did not already know
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Post by cl54 on May 3, 2022 20:52:36 GMT
Yet another waste of our money FOI request.
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Post by WH241 on May 3, 2022 21:10:40 GMT
Yet another waste of our money FOI request. I ended up stumbling across some FOI requests earlier and they were so wasteful switch questions such as why are tenders late and why was a route awarded a part allocation of electric buses.
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Post by SILENCED on May 3, 2022 21:13:59 GMT
Yet another waste of our money FOI request. I ended up stumbling across some FOI requests earlier and they were so wasteful switch questions such as why are tenders late and why was a route awarded a part allocation of electric buses. And then these people wonder why TfL has to make cuts ... brain dead people submitting FOIs ... when you know with almost 100% certainty what answer they will give.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 3, 2022 21:16:17 GMT
I ended up stumbling across some FOI requests earlier and they were so wasteful switch questions such as why are tenders late and why was a route awarded a part allocation of electric buses. And then these people wonder why TfL has to make cuts ... brain dead people submitting FOIs ... when you know with almost 100% certainty what answer they will give. Wonder whether the thank you for submitting your request was said through gritted teeth
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Post by snowman on May 17, 2022 14:47:03 GMT
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Post by yunus on Jun 7, 2022 5:36:19 GMT
Will the EV rollout continue at the same rapid pace as usual or will it be affected by TFL finances, especially as a long term deal has not been reached?
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Post by greenboy on Jun 7, 2022 7:02:26 GMT
Will the EV rollout continue at the same rapid pace as usual or will it be affected by TFL finances, especially as a long term deal has not been reached? Probably not with the amount of hybrids that are likely to become surplus.
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Post by yunus on Jun 7, 2022 9:37:28 GMT
Will the EV rollout continue at the same rapid pace as usual or will it be affected by TFL finances, especially as a long term deal has not been reached? Probably not with the amount of hybrids that are likely to become surplus. We shall see of course. Hybrid buses do a good job by reducing emissions by 30-40% compared to conventional Diesel buses which is a huge difference. Smart Hybrids however do not drive in Electric mode.
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Post by yunus on Jun 7, 2022 9:39:54 GMT
Hybrids are Semi-Electric buses. Well I class them in that form anyway.
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