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Post by wirewiper on Jun 7, 2022 9:44:10 GMT
Probably not with the amount of hybrids that are likely to become surplus. We shall see of course. Hybrid buses do a good job by reducing emissions by 30-40% compared to conventional Diesel buses which is a huge difference. Smart Hybrids however do not drive in Electric mode. I don't even regard smart "hybrids" as hybrids for that very reason, they only reduce emissions by around 10% as opposed to the 30-40% of a genuine hybrid. Of course all London buses, even full diesels, now meet the strict EuroVI emissions standard which in itself has made a big impact on bus emissions. But there is still more that can be done and I hope that TfL will be robust in advocating for sustained investment in a fully zero-emission fleet by 2034 at the very latest.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 7, 2022 11:17:36 GMT
Probably not with the amount of hybrids that are likely to become surplus. We shall see of course. Hybrid buses do a good job by reducing emissions by 30-40% compared to conventional Diesel buses which is a huge difference. Smart Hybrids however do not drive in Electric mode. Hybrids do not reduce emissions by that much, I believe those figures have been disputed unless I’m mistaken?
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Post by yunus on Jun 7, 2022 11:28:37 GMT
We shall see of course. Hybrid buses do a good job by reducing emissions by 30-40% compared to conventional Diesel buses which is a huge difference. Smart Hybrids however do not drive in Electric mode. Hybrids do not reduce emissions by that much, I believe those figures have been disputed unless I’m mistaken? Hope you don't mind me correcting you but yes they do reduce Emissions significantly compared to conventional Diesel buses hence why I called them Semi Electrics 😉
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 7, 2022 11:35:19 GMT
Hybrids do not reduce emissions by that much, I believe those figures have been disputed unless I’m mistaken? Hope you don't mind me correcting you but yes they do reduce Emissions significantly compared to conventional Diesel buses hence why I called them Semi Electrics 😉 At Euro6, there are strong arguments that claim hybrids are now carbon negative over their whole life, compared to the equivalent diesel. The benefits of fractions of small numbers do not outweigh the extra production environmental costs, when compared to the bigger savings made on larger numbers at Euro4 and 5.
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Post by VWH1413 on Jun 7, 2022 12:52:14 GMT
Hybrids do not reduce emissions by that much, I believe those figures have been disputed unless I’m mistaken? Hope you don't mind me correcting you but yes they do reduce Emissions significantly compared to conventional Diesel buses hence why I called them Semi Electrics 😉 From what I understand, this was an big deal when hybrid buses and conventional diesel buses were both at Euro 5 standard, but since all London buses in service are now Euro 6 and emit similar to none emissions this is now an redundant selling point. An bus in Electric mode does omit zero omissions though, although even that has lost a bit of impact as emission savings smaller now with Euro 6 and not as significant. There is still fuel economy to consider though (up to 30% less fuel usage?), depending on the bus model and if even has an working hybrid mode, esp on the pre 2014 bus models. Happy to be corrected.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 7, 2022 15:02:46 GMT
Hybrids do not reduce emissions by that much, I believe those figures have been disputed unless I’m mistaken? Hope you don't mind me correcting you but yes they do reduce Emissions significantly compared to conventional Diesel buses hence why I called them Semi Electrics 😉 I never said they don't reduce emissions, what I said was those figures were ones given depending on what actual hybrid it was and in just about every case, once tested away from Millbrook and the real world, the figures ended up being lower than those. For example, I believe LT's had a figure somewhere between 35-40% yet the actual figure in the real world was below 30% - in fact, there were articles where some LT's were worse than some much older diesel buses, think it had a comparison against a B7TL due to the LT's in question always running in diesel mode.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 7, 2022 17:16:22 GMT
Hybrids do not reduce emissions by that much, I believe those figures have been disputed unless I’m mistaken? Hope you don't mind me correcting you but yes they do reduce Emissions significantly compared to conventional Diesel buses hence why I called them Semi Electrics 😉 Reading Buses bought a number of hybrid double-deckers in 2010 and 2011 and whilst they reduced emissions and fuel consumption, this was only in the order of 20% - less than London, although Reading's buses spend less time idling in traffic. From 2013 they bought CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) vehicles where they were able to secure Green Bus Fund money against the cost, these had a far more dramatic effect on emissions and, whilst they do not qualify as zero-emission, they reduced harmful emissions by up to 95%. Notably, where Green Bus Fund money was not secured, conventional diesels were purchased, the higher cost of hybrids not considered justified against the fuel cost saving. In recent years Reading Buses has been converting its hybrids to direct diesel operation as the batteries are starting to lose their storage capacity.
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Post by snowman on Jun 8, 2022 6:41:11 GMT
Switch Mobility has launched a new 12m electric bus called E1 Aimed at European market and able to carry upto 93 passengers Will be built at the new assembly plant in Spain www.switchmobility.tech/en/e1
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 8, 2022 7:06:42 GMT
Switch Mobility has launched a new 12m electric bus called E1 Aimed at European market and able to carry upto 93 passengers Will be built at the new assembly plant in Spain www.switchmobility.tech/en/e1That's a right-hand drive model for the mainland European market, I don't know if a left-hand drive model will be made available in the UK/Ireland.
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Post by snowman on Jun 8, 2022 7:21:44 GMT
Switch Mobility has launched a new 12m electric bus called E1 Aimed at European market and able to carry upto 93 passengers Will be built at the new assembly plant in Spain www.switchmobility.tech/en/e1That's a right-hand drive model for the mainland European market, I don't know if a left-hand drive model will be made available in the UK/Ireland. other way round, it is left hand drive, UK uses right hand drive
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 8, 2022 8:32:33 GMT
That's a right-hand drive model for the mainland European market, I don't know if a left-hand drive model will be made available in the UK/Ireland. other way round, it is left hand drive, UK uses right hand drive You're right, I often get left-side driving and left-hand drive mixed up.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 9, 2022 9:37:45 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Jun 9, 2022 9:44:38 GMT
Personally really don’t see the need to promote the fact buses are electric! We have had electric buses since 2016 in London. I am pretty sure the majority of passengers don’t care how the bus is powered as long as it turns up and makes good progress without constant regulation. I could understand the big fanfare when it’s a new technology and the first route to convert.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 9, 2022 10:16:37 GMT
Personally really don’t see the need to promote the fact buses are electric! We have had electric buses since 2016 in London. I am pretty sure the majority of passengers don’t care how the bus is powered as long as it turns up and makes good progress without constant regulation. I could understand the big fanfare when it’s a new technology and the first route to convert. Green credentials are seen by a sector of the population to be important. I would imagine most companies have boasted about how green they are over the past 12 months in some way or other.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 9, 2022 10:25:11 GMT
Personally really don’t see the need to promote the fact buses are electric! We have had electric buses since 2016 in London. I am pretty sure the majority of passengers don’t care how the bus is powered as long as it turns up and makes good progress without constant regulation. I could understand the big fanfare when it’s a new technology and the first route to convert. Green credentials are seen by a sector of the population to be important. I would imagine most companies have boasted about how green they are over the past 12 months in some way or other. Of course and I remember a few years ago everyone was pushing how carbon neutral they are. My point is the average Londoner really just wants buses that arrive in time. I can’t see any promotion of green credentials massively increasing passengers numbers. A route local to me the 69 is electric and to me it just seems like a normal hybrid E400 City.
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