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Post by MoEnviro on Aug 2, 2022 14:31:25 GMT
Leyton garage is the next on the list to have Electric charging facilities hence the roadworks outside by Capworth Street so that can now be added to the list. Can I ask your source for this? There are no routes at T that are due electrics or any recent tender gains for electric routes. TfL Notice of event is the source
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Post by WH241 on Aug 2, 2022 16:50:10 GMT
Can I ask your source for this? There are no routes at T that are due electrics or any recent tender gains for electric routes. TfL Notice of event is the source Looking on a map Capworth street is across the road from T so curious to why it is assumed the work is for fitting out the garage.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 2, 2022 16:55:43 GMT
TfL Notice of event is the source Looking on a map Capworth street is across the road from T so curious to why it is assumed the work is for fitting out the garage.
I've not read the NOE so just going on assumption, but NOEs in the past have said the workds can be for xxx reasons. I'm assuming this one may have said "to allow for garage electrification works"
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Post by WH241 on Aug 2, 2022 17:15:54 GMT
Looking on a map Capworth street is across the road from T so curious to why it is assumed the work is for fitting out the garage.
I've not read the NOE so just going on assumption, but NOEs in the past have said the workds can be for xxx reasons. I'm assuming this one may have said "to allow for garage electrification works" There is an mention of GEW or something similar. I wonder why Stagecoach have taken the decision to fit the garage out in advance of any tender gains. They must be confident the advance works will pay off with tender gains.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 2, 2022 17:49:33 GMT
I've not read the NOE so just going on assumption, but NOEs in the past have said the workds can be for xxx reasons. I'm assuming this one may have said "to allow for garage electrification works" There is an mention of GEW or something similar. I wonder why Stagecoach have taken the decision to fit the garage out in advance of any tender gains. They must be confident the advance works will pay off with tender gains. Could very well be the case. Although alternatively could be for another reason. The 339 doesn't terminate too far and is getting electric buses later this year.
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Post by snowman on Aug 2, 2022 18:18:59 GMT
There is an mention of GEW or something similar. I wonder why Stagecoach have taken the decision to fit the garage out in advance of any tender gains. They must be confident the advance works will pay off with tender gains. Could very well be the case. Although alternatively could be for another reason. The 339 doesn't terminate too far and is getting electric buses later this year. Stagecoach has a clunky fleet age profile, when Stagecoach returned to London there were considerable numbers of buses obtained (around 2011). Clearly for tenders starting 2023 and 2024 Stagecoach is going to have to renew considerable numbers of buses (assuming it keeps or gains routes). Maybe it makes sense to prepare a garage now. Another possibility is they are converting another garage in a provincial city and they have got a bulk deal on installations, and if it is going to be done within next 24 months anyway maybe financially better to do it now rather than piecemeal.
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Post by yunus on Aug 2, 2022 18:35:33 GMT
Sorry for the late reply. My source was a group of drivers + garage supervisor that happened to be on the shift when I visited East London to take some bus photos.
Others will be able to tell me if this is possible however route 56 is a realistic prime candidate to get Electric buses. Aware that it was awarded with Hybrid buses but I'm sure at the behest of TFL this could be changed with the current E40Hs ousting the Diesel buses on other routes at the garage?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 2, 2022 18:40:43 GMT
Sorry for the late reply. My source was a group of drivers + garage supervisor that happened to be on the shift when I visited East London to take some bus photos. Others will be able to tell me if this is possible however route 56 is a realistic prime candidate to get Electric buses. Aware that it was awarded with Hybrid buses but I'm sure at the behest of TFL this could be changed with the current E40Hs ousting the Diesel buses on other routes at the garage? Theyve started refurbishing the E40Hs so I think Stagecoach have other plans.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 2, 2022 19:08:46 GMT
There is an mention of GEW or something similar. I wonder why Stagecoach have taken the decision to fit the garage out in advance of any tender gains. They must be confident the advance works will pay off with tender gains. Could very well be the case. Although alternatively could be for another reason. The 339 doesn't terminate too far and is getting electric buses later this year. That's very true about the 339 and was at the back of my mind especially being just around the corner at Leytonstone. This would mean T is set up for future tender awards like the 97 which will need new buses at the next tender.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 2, 2022 19:15:36 GMT
Sorry for the late reply. My source was a group of drivers + garage supervisor that happened to be on the shift when I visited East London to take some bus photos. Others will be able to tell me if this is possible however route 56 is a realistic prime candidate to get Electric buses. Aware that it was awarded with Hybrid buses but I'm sure at the behest of TFL this could be changed with the current E40Hs ousting the Diesel buses on other routes at the garage?
I doubt TfL would have changed the tender especially with the current financial situation. One prediction I do make about T routes is the 215 converts to LT possibly using buses from the 8 cut if they have not been used elsewhere especially as the route is on it's 2 year extension and then could use them on another 5 year tender from 2024.
Also whilst it looks likely the electrics works are true don't always believe what drivers tell you as it can be canteen gossip
Edit - There is a Tesco Car Park in Capworth Road so the electric works could be for the car park as delivery vans are moving over to electric.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 2, 2022 19:24:59 GMT
Looking on a map Capworth street is across the road from T so curious to why it is assumed the work is for fitting out the garage.
I've not read the NOE so just going on assumption, but NOEs in the past have said the workds can be for xxx reasons. I'm assuming this one may have said "to allow for garage electrification works"
Connections (Major conn.): Installation of a new electricity supply for a customer: install duct and underground cable for GRP.
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 2, 2022 19:44:18 GMT
Sorry for the late reply. My source was a group of drivers + garage supervisor that happened to be on the shift when I visited East London to take some bus photos. Others will be able to tell me if this is possible however route 56 is a realistic prime candidate to get Electric buses. Aware that it was awarded with Hybrid buses but I'm sure at the behest of TFL this could be changed with the current E40Hs ousting the Diesel buses on other routes at the garage?
I doubt TfL would have changed the tender especially with the current financial situation. One prediction I do make about T routes is the 215 converts to LT possibly using buses from the 8 cut if they have not been used elsewhere especially as the route is on it's 2 year extension and then could use them on another 5 year tender from 2024.
Also whilst it looks likely the electrics works are true don't always believe what drivers tell you as it can be canteen gossip
I did a bit of research and it does appear to be an upgrade installation of an electrical substation at Leyton Garage which looks like it will facilitate electric car charging points in the surrounding streets. I’ve attached a couple of links but at a guess Stagecoach has probably allowed this as it future proofs them for electric bus installation at the councils/Liberty Charge/Virgin Media O2s expense. Although it is also no secret that Waltham Forest sees the garage as prime residential land in the near future. www.leighjournal.co.uk/announcements/public_notices/notice/191052.ROAD_TRAFFIC_REGULATION_ACT_1984_-_SECTION_14_1__THE_WALTHAM_FOREST__ELECTRIC_VEHICLE_CHARGING_CONNECTION___VARIOUS_ROADS___TEMPORARY_MEASURES___NO__1__ORDER_2022__TT3_22__/www.themanufacturer.com/articles/waltham-forest-council-sparks-new-plans-for-ev-charge-point-roll-out/
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Post by Frenzie on Aug 3, 2022 10:41:38 GMT
Is it known whether RATP's BEs and BCEs (and equivalently with Go Ahead's SEe/Ee) have the same power output from their motors? Their single deck versions generally seem more powerful. Something else I’ve noticed is BCE143-156 are far more powerful that BCE30-83. Im not sure if the later batch was ordered with different spec motors.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 3, 2022 11:56:45 GMT
Is it known whether RATP's BEs and BCEs (and equivalently with Go Ahead's SEe/Ee) have the same power output from their motors? Their single deck versions generally seem more powerful. Something else I’ve noticed is BCE143-156 are far more powerful that BCE30-83. Im not sure if the later batch was ordered with different spec motors. I think there was an update at some point, but that should have affected all batches after the 94's. The 69's Ees at Go Ahead were possibly the first revised batch in London, also having the middle seat missing at the back. Similarly with the E200EVs, the battery pack on the roof was made flatter, I think starting with the batch new to the 444.
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Post by Frenzie on Aug 3, 2022 12:33:13 GMT
Something else I’ve noticed is BCE143-156 are far more powerful that BCE30-83. Im not sure if the later batch was ordered with different spec motors. I think there was an update at some point, but that should have affected all batches after the 94's. The 69's Ees at Go Ahead were possibly the first revised batch in London, also having the middle seat missing at the back. Similarly with the E200EVs, the battery pack on the roof was made flatter, I think starting with the batch new to the 444. Well all I know is the FW batch are no where near as nice to drive as the 125 batch. I’d be interested to have a go in the 183 batch to see if they’re similar to the 125s as they’re newer.
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