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Post by cl54 on Apr 23, 2021 19:23:56 GMT
Seen on BBC News that the stabbing was fatal, the area will probably be closed for quite a few hours now while forensics move in. Now that traffic will probably be calming down on the A13 it might be an idea to send every other 5 through to serve the bus station. The 69 will probably have to be left at Hermit Road for now as I don't think the buses can easily get to the bus station through any other roads without an extremely long diversion through Plaistow. Indeed was fatal a 14 year old! really awful.
Not sure where the buses have diverted to now as the 115 is no longer in diversion via Custom House. Guessing maybe Star Lane - Double Deckers have used this route before.
Latest diversions. Scroll down page. networkmanagementcc.blogspot.com/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 11:13:51 GMT
Routes 31, 295, 228, 148, 94, 316 all on diversion eastbound only between Shepherd's Bush (Holland Park Roundabout) and their retrospective turnings off Holland Park Avenue - due to a police incident on Holland Park Avenue. Not sure exactly what route the buses took but I saw a 295 towards Ladbroke Grove and a 31 towards Camden Town head down the West Cross Route towards Kensington Olympia around 9.40 this morning. Westbound traffic not affected. Also saw 'Holland Park Avenue Eastbound closed' road sign around 8.10am on West Cromwell Road in West Kensington.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 12:14:08 GMT
Routes 218 and 306 on diversion between Acton Vale and Hammersmith (this direction only), via Shepherd's Bush, due to Glenthorne Road closed
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Post by M1104 on May 1, 2021 12:45:25 GMT
The 44, 77 and 270 were yesterday evening diverted via Earlsfield Road, Trinity Road and Burntwood Lane towards Tooting Broadway. From what I was told it only lasted for about half an hour.
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Post by mr24 on May 4, 2021 15:14:39 GMT
Saw a picture of the most extraordinary diversion I've ever seen on a London bus. The picture was taken about mid day today and has T272 on a 102 service towards Edmonton Green driving down St James's lane in Muswell Hill, which is not really on the 102 route, entirely unsuitable for buses (and quite frankly, cars as well) and after 18 years of living in the area, I've never seen a bus attempt to go down St James's lane. It also has to fit under a bridge which I'd never even thought about whether it is too low for a double-decker bus because I did not expect to ever see one on St James lane. There were also passengers on board. Anyone have any idea how it got there? Attachment Deleted
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Post by beaver14uk on May 4, 2021 17:16:39 GMT
[ Why is it unsuitable, if non bus route it would have been risk assessed. quote author=" mr24" source="/post/632764/thread" timestamp="1620141279"]Saw a picture of the most extraordinary diversion I've ever seen on a London bus. The picture was taken about mid day today and has T272 on a 102 service towards Edmonton Green driving down St James's lane in Muswell Hill, which is not really on the 102 route, entirely unsuitable for buses (and quite frankly, cars as well) and after 18 years of living in the area, I've never seen a bus attempt to go down St James's lane. It also has to fit under a bridge which I'd never even thought about whether it is too low for a double-decker bus because I did not expect to ever see one on St James lane. There were also passengers on board. Anyone have any idea how it got there? Attachment Deleted[/quote]
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Post by vjaska on May 4, 2021 17:38:13 GMT
Saw a picture of the most extraordinary diversion I've ever seen on a London bus. The picture was taken about mid day today and has T272 on a 102 service towards Edmonton Green driving down St James's lane in Muswell Hill, which is not really on the 102 route, entirely unsuitable for buses (and quite frankly, cars as well) and after 18 years of living in the area, I've never seen a bus attempt to go down St James's lane. It also has to fit under a bridge which I'd never even thought about whether it is too low for a double-decker bus because I did not expect to ever see one on St James lane. There were also passengers on board. Anyone have any idea how it got there? View AttachmentI’m not sure I’d agree with it being unsuitable for buses and certainly don’t think it’s unsuitable for cars at all judging from Google Streetview. The bridge is interesting though - it’s signed at roughly the same height as the bus yet whilst a bridge is always signed higher than its actual height, the gap between the roof & bridge seems much bigger than expected
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Post by greenboy on May 4, 2021 18:35:47 GMT
Saw a picture of the most extraordinary diversion I've ever seen on a London bus. The picture was taken about mid day today and has T272 on a 102 service towards Edmonton Green driving down St James's lane in Muswell Hill, which is not really on the 102 route, entirely unsuitable for buses (and quite frankly, cars as well) and after 18 years of living in the area, I've never seen a bus attempt to go down St James's lane. It also has to fit under a bridge which I'd never even thought about whether it is too low for a double-decker bus because I did not expect to ever see one on St James lane. There were also passengers on board. Anyone have any idea how it got there? View AttachmentDid the driver go down there by mistake? I can't imagine that would be an official diversion route.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 19:59:47 GMT
Saw a picture of the most extraordinary diversion I've ever seen on a London bus. The picture was taken about mid day today and has T272 on a 102 service towards Edmonton Green driving down St James's lane in Muswell Hill, which is not really on the 102 route, entirely unsuitable for buses (and quite frankly, cars as well) and after 18 years of living in the area, I've never seen a bus attempt to go down St James's lane. It also has to fit under a bridge which I'd never even thought about whether it is too low for a double-decker bus because I did not expect to ever see one on St James lane. There were also passengers on board. Anyone have any idea how it got there? View AttachmentDid the driver go down there by mistake? I can't imagine that would be an official diversion route. As beaver14uk said, it would have been risk assessed. Unless a driver is lost and does not report it to their controller/NMCC for guidance, there are very few instances where buses go down roads which have not been risk assessed. As this road is not usually served by buses on line of route (I assume from mr24 post), the NTC would have been dispatched to check if buses could traverse the road safely, regardless of whether it is an 'official' diversion route or not.
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Post by greenboy on May 4, 2021 20:27:59 GMT
Did the driver go down there by mistake? I can't imagine that would be an official diversion route. As beaver14uk said, it would have been risk assessed. Unless a driver is lost and does not report it to their controller/NMCC for guidance, there are very few instances where buses go down roads which have not been risk assessed. As this road is not usually served by buses on line of route (I assume from mr24 post), the NTC would have been dispatched to check if buses could traverse the road safely, regardless of whether it is an 'official' diversion route or not. Looks to me like the driver has come up Fortis Green Road and gone straight ahead by mistake instead of turning left.
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Post by redexpress on May 4, 2021 21:19:32 GMT
Did the driver go down there by mistake? I can't imagine that would be an official diversion route. As beaver14uk said, it would have been risk assessed. Unless a driver is lost and does not report it to their controller/NMCC for guidance, there are very few instances where buses go down roads which have not been risk assessed. As this road is not usually served by buses on line of route (I assume from mr24 post), the NTC would have been dispatched to check if buses could traverse the road safely, regardless of whether it is an 'official' diversion route or not. Knowing these roads very well I would be surprised if that route has passed a risk assessment. The bridge itself is not the main issue, more the narrowness of the roads leading to it. More to the point I can't see what circumstances would lead to a bus being diverted that way. There are far more suitable diversion routes available if the Broadway is closed.
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Post by mr24 on May 5, 2021 6:07:48 GMT
Saw a picture of the most extraordinary diversion I've ever seen on a London bus. The picture was taken about mid day today and has T272 on a 102 service towards Edmonton Green driving down St James's lane in Muswell Hill, which is not really on the 102 route, entirely unsuitable for buses (and quite frankly, cars as well) and after 18 years of living in the area, I've never seen a bus attempt to go down St James's lane. It also has to fit under a bridge which I'd never even thought about whether it is too low for a double-decker bus because I did not expect to ever see one on St James lane. There were also passengers on board. Anyone have any idea how it got there? View AttachmentI’m not sure I’d agree with it being unsuitable for buses and certainly don’t think it’s unsuitable for cars at all judging from Google Streetview. The bridge is interesting though - it’s signed at roughly the same height as the bus yet whilst a bridge is always signed higher than its actual height, the gap between the roof & bridge seems much bigger than expected I don't think Streetview really does it justice, St James Lane can often turn into endless cycle of cars going nowhere getting stuck trying to pass each other, unsuccessfully. Clearly a bus can just about fit down there as long as no cars get in the way, but I am still baffled as to how a bus would actually end up there when it does not really provide any useful diversion, and accidentally going straight across the roundabout at the end of Fortis Green seems like a rather difficult mistake to make.
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2021 6:39:56 GMT
I’m not sure I’d agree with it being unsuitable for buses and certainly don’t think it’s unsuitable for cars at all judging from Google Streetview. The bridge is interesting though - it’s signed at roughly the same height as the bus yet whilst a bridge is always signed higher than its actual height, the gap between the roof & bridge seems much bigger than expected I don't think Streetview really does it justice, St James Lane can often turn into endless cycle of cars going nowhere getting stuck trying to pass each other, unsuccessfully. Clearly a bus can just about fit down there as long as no cars get in the way, but I am still baffled as to how a bus would actually end up there when it does not really provide any useful diversion, and accidentally going straight across the roundabout at the end of Fortis Green seems like a rather difficult mistake to make. Driver error is the only thing I can think of, mistakes like this do happen from time to time and there was a similar incident on the 194 a while back when a driver went the wrong way and subsequently hit a low bridge.
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Post by BK15AZR on May 7, 2021 14:32:11 GMT
The D3 is curtailed to Trafalgar Way due to a fire at New Providence Wharf. LVF is still showing all buses to Leamouth but seems like none of them move beyond Billingsgate Market so that should be the curtail point.
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Post by galwhv69 on May 10, 2021 6:07:10 GMT
Just seen a 220 ADE in service attempt to go down Wildcroft Road. Oops. Luckily the drivwr then reversed around and went towards Putney Bridge
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