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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2013 17:36:56 GMT
Sorry for pedant mode but really it is a combination of - free travel for kids (no child fares) - flat fares - PAYG being much cheaper than cash - Oyster cards - cashless zone in the central area - most buses being dual doored which have worked together to drive down cash fares paid on buses thus minimising dwell times. The irony, as explained in Buses Magazine recently, is that loads of towns and cities say they want Oyster cards on their buses. They completely miss the point that very few places have flat fare systems that could map across to the London concept. Also dwell times are long outside of London because many buses are single doored. I am still staggered, when I use buses outside of London, how long it takes to load buses up at busy stops. Having seen how ridiculously long the txn time is for ITSO concessionary cards I really doubt that ITSO spec cards will offer big dwell time improvements on buses outside London. I have always wondered why provincial ops, particularly in cities, have stuck with the one door arrangement. Surely London has proved how efficient it can be... There are ops who buck the trend but only on some vehicles. Metrobus Crawley operations have ex London Darts & Omnidekkas still in dual door form and the guided Omnicitys are dual door too. I was told that the dual door buses help a lot better with loadings and the other reason why they remained dual door is cost of removing the rear door.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 11, 2013 18:40:24 GMT
The irony, as explained in Buses Magazine recently, is that loads of towns and cities say they want Oyster cards on their buses. They completely miss the point that very few places have flat fare systems that could map across to the London concept. Also dwell times are long outside of London because many buses are single doored. I am still staggered, when I use buses outside of London, how long it takes to load buses up at busy stops. Having seen how ridiculously long the txn time is for ITSO concessionary cards I really doubt that ITSO spec cards will offer big dwell time improvements on buses outside London. I have always wondered why provincial ops, particularly in cities, have stuck with the one door arrangement. Surely London has proved how efficient it can be... I think the main reasons are dragging / trapping incidents in the 70s and 80s plus increased complexity / maintenance costs. The loss of seating capacity will be another reason. To be fair there are now very few places that have the sort of loading conditions that London has.
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Post by mre81 on Apr 11, 2013 21:21:38 GMT
I remember catching the Stagecoach provincial liveried one on the 73 (can't remember fleet number) RML2665 (SMK665F), I believe ran in 'beachball' livery for a time. Pretty sure she worked most RM 'last days' from the 15 to the 159
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Post by snoggle on Apr 11, 2013 21:57:45 GMT
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Apr 11, 2013 22:42:50 GMT
Must be a bugger to keep clean!
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Post by LX09FBJ on Apr 11, 2013 23:19:42 GMT
That's the one! ;D Now I believe it's preserved to original spec, caught it on the SD open day (last day before it closed)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 19:45:42 GMT
Talking of Routemaster nostalga, I travelled on the Stagecoach Running Day RML2760 on Saturday, Route 101-in fact this was the last RM built 45 years old. From Wanstead to Gallions Reach and back. Then onto The Whitehorse, East Ham. A trip down memory lane--and a comfortable one at that!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 11:14:03 GMT
well the anniversary of the first route to be withdrawn is couple of months away. But i have calculated the PVR's of the RM's from the London Bus Routes via the Archive website. Route | Type | Garage | PVR | Operator | notes | 6 | RML | AC | 22 | ML | | 7 | RML | X | 13 | FLN | 14 Sat | 8 | RML | BW | 28 | SLN | | 9 | RML | S | 17 | LU | | 10 | RM/RML | HT | 24 | ML | | 11 | RML | SW | 22 | LG | | 12 | RML | Q | 38 | LC | | 13 | RM | EW | 17 | LS | | 14 | RML | AF | 22 | LG | | 15 | RML | U | 24 | SLN | | 19 | RML | BA | 20 | AL | | 22 | RML | AF | 16 | LG | | 23 | RML | X | 30 | FLN | | 36 | RM/RML | NX | 47 | LC | | 38 | RM/RML | CT | 41 | AL | | 73 | RML | AR | 55 | AL | | 94 | RML | S | 21 | ML | | 98 | RML | AC | 21 | ML | 22 Sat | 137 | RM/RML | BN | 27 | AL | | 159 | RM/RML | BN | 24 | ML | |
Total PVR 529 This is the list of the Routemaster route operating in year 2003 before the withdrawal starts. Route | Type | Garage | PVR | Operator | notes | 6 | RML | AC | 28 | ML | | 7 | RML | X | 20 | FLN | | 8 | RML | BW | 28 | SLN | | 9 | RML | S | 21 | LU | 22 Sat | 11 | RML | SW | 23 | LG | | 12 | RML | Q | 38 | LC | | 13 | RM | EW | 19 | LS | | 14 | RML | AF | 24 | LG | | 15 | RML | U | 26 | SLN | | 19 | RML | BA | 26 | AL | | 22 | RML | AF | 19 | LG | | 23 | RML | X | 30 | FLN | | 36 | RM/RML | NX | 26 | LC | | 38 | RM/RML | CT | 50 | AL | | 73 | RML | AR | 55 | AL | | 94 | RML | S | 24 | ML | | 98 | RML | AC | 25 | ML | 22 Sat | 137 | RM/RML | BN | 29 | AL | | 159 | RM/RML | BN | 28 | ML | | 390 | RML | KX | 17 | ML | |
Total PVR 556 Does anyone know exactly how many RM's were there in 2002 and 2003?
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Post by marlon101 on Jun 22, 2013 11:34:49 GMT
I think the 15 went full opo on the 31/03/03 the last 10 years has indeed gone very quick !! Was sad to see them go . i blame it all on Red Ken. he is open platformphobia. At leas there are handful running on the 9 and 15. on 2012 his election promise is to viciously stop the roll out of the open platform NBfL's. I am glad he lost. Whats the alternative use of getting out of the bus between stops which is to press the emergency open button. This is the infamous quote from ken "Only some ghastly dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the Routemaster." and yes he is barely one himself. If you're going to play politics could you attempt a reasonably coherent statement and avoid ad hominem arguments. Routemaster or no routemaster, you're not supposed to get off buses outside of bus stops and I'm worried how you see the emergency door open as a 'go to' for your own convenience.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 13:13:26 GMT
i blame it all on Red Ken. he is open platformphobia. At leas there are handful running on the 9 and 15. on 2012 his election promise is to viciously stop the roll out of the open platform NBfL's. I am glad he lost. Whats the alternative use of getting out of the bus between stops which is to press the emergency open button. This is the infamous quote from ken "Only some ghastly dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the Routemaster." and yes he is barely one himself. His main 2012 election promise was actually to cut fares by 7%, the stopping of the roll out of LT's was a side policy. Also, you know it's dangerous to disembark from a bus between stops. We've all done it but that don't stop it from being less dangerous. Dangerous?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 13:38:43 GMT
His main 2012 election promise was actually to cut fares by 7%, the stopping of the roll out of LT's was a side policy. Also, you know it's dangerous to disembark from a bus between stops. We've all done it but that don't stop it from being less dangerous. Dangerous? or another method... www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGmCbgeruc
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 16:14:20 GMT
One way of getting a free ride
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