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Post by M1104 on Nov 28, 2019 10:56:04 GMT
I've been listening to some really old videos of ex London & Country and Capital City bus Dennis Arrows like these; youtu.be/s03dHPf9rtAyoutu.be/EXqs9JdWfnoCan anyone confirm which engine lump and gearbox these buses had? Haven't been on an Arrow before but my, they sound good judging from those two videos. They're both definitely on ZF, would have to say 4 spd ZF as they contain what I'd describe as an identical ZF whine found on Cummins & Volvo engined Volvo Olympians as well as Volvo Citybuses - a Voith one tend to have their own whine in comparison. As for engines, not sure of exact specs but would the R reg is a Euro II example as Euro II appeared around P reg IIRC whilst the first example is likely a Euro I example. I remember the Dennis Arrows well on the 341 although I never travelled on one to my very huge regret. It's also a pity more London firms never ordered the breed in the way they did so with the successor Tridents. Although they are indeed likely 4-speeders, 5-speed was optional back then as London General's VC1-5 had 5th gear (additionally with coach seatings in the case of VC1-3), which I found out when allocated VC2¹ on the 77A, the bus engaging 5th gear at around 25 mph. ¹ - super shortage of serviceable buses at the time
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Post by redexpress on Nov 28, 2019 22:52:06 GMT
Haven't been on an Arrow before but my, they sound good judging from those two videos. They're both definitely on ZF, would have to say 4 spd ZF as they contain what I'd describe as an identical ZF whine found on Cummins & Volvo engined Volvo Olympians as well as Volvo Citybuses - a Voith one tend to have their own whine in comparison. As for engines, not sure of exact specs but would the R reg is a Euro II example as Euro II appeared around P reg IIRC whilst the first example is likely a Euro I example. I remember the Dennis Arrows well on the 341 although I never travelled on one to my very huge regret. It's also a pity more London firms never ordered the breed in the way they did so with the successor Tridents. Although they are indeed likely 4-speeders, 5-speed was optional back then as London General's VC1-5 had 5th gear (additionally with coach seatings in the case of VC1-3), which I found out when allocated VC2¹ on the 77A, the bus engaging 5th gear at around 25 mph. ¹ - super shortage of serviceable buses at the time I was never particularly impressed with the Arrows as a passenger. They had decent acceleration but that's about it. In every other respect the Volvo Olympian felt far superior (and they were pretty quick anyway).
The NP Arrows were in theory allocated to the 76 and 259, although in practice they were often mixed in with the Olys on the 91 and 341.
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Post by M1104 on Dec 1, 2019 12:14:52 GMT
Former Metroline's TA648's the newest member to the Bromley Bus Preservation Group
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Post by grahamk748 on Dec 1, 2019 19:20:15 GMT
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 3, 2019 9:31:38 GMT
Ex Arriva London VLW188 and VLW193 seen in Huddersfield this morning on school work, both now with B&H Coaches of Huddersfield
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Post by kenmet on Dec 4, 2019 6:45:41 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Dec 13, 2019 10:12:59 GMT
Former London General's NV122's the newest member to the Bromley Bus Preservation Group, the then Sutton based bus I remember many moons ago on the 157 and N155.
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Post by towerman on Dec 13, 2019 14:13:28 GMT
Seen in Irthlingborough,Trident LJ54 BFO in Ensign Bus red & grey livery and Ensign Bus still on the sides.ex London bus?
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Post by bustavane on Dec 13, 2019 14:22:34 GMT
Seen in Irthlingborough,Trident LJ54 BFO in Ensign Bus red & grey livery and Ensign Bus still on the sides.ex London bus? Yes: Ex-Arriva VLA84
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Post by bustavane on Dec 13, 2019 14:51:30 GMT
WVL240 is (apparently) to become Carousel 942 (https://www.oxford-chiltern-bus-page.co.uk/Weekly%20nr%2085%20101219.html)
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Post by M1104 on Dec 14, 2019 21:09:01 GMT
LDP131 now under the care of the South London Preservation Society, the bus being new to AF for the 424
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 19, 2019 1:43:36 GMT
Haven't been on an Arrow before but my, they sound good judging from those two videos. They're both definitely on ZF, would have to say 4 spd ZF as they contain what I'd describe as an identical ZF whine found on Cummins & Volvo engined Volvo Olympians as well as Volvo Citybuses - a Voith one tend to have their own whine in comparison. As for engines, not sure of exact specs but would the R reg is a Euro II example as Euro II appeared around P reg IIRC whilst the first example is likely a Euro I example. I remember the Dennis Arrows well on the 341 although I never travelled on one to my very huge regret. It's also a pity more London firms never ordered the breed in the way they did so with the successor Tridents. Although they are indeed likely 4-speeders, 5-speed was optional back then as London General's VC1-5 had 5th gear (additionally with coach seatings in the case of VC1-3), which I found out when allocated VC2¹ on the 77A, the bus engaging 5th gear at around 25 mph. ¹ - super shortage of serviceable buses at the time I loved the Palatine bodied Dennis Arrow's, had a lot of very fast journeys on the evening 179 and 123's. They were euro 2 IIRC
Many London firms only went for the Trident because the B7L was rejected by LT due to the long overhang and 10 years later they then agreed to the B5LH which had a similar long rear overhang. If the B7TL came out before, Dennis would have never got many of the orders for the Trident. Operators like Metroline, London United, London Sovereign may have never touched the Trident. Stagecoach may have been in the same position, but chose not to buy Volvo due to Volvo switching production of Volvo chassis to Sweden and mainland Europe and closing down the plant in Scotland.
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Post by M1104 on Dec 19, 2019 5:12:24 GMT
I remember the Dennis Arrows well on the 341 although I never travelled on one to my very huge regret. It's also a pity more London firms never ordered the breed in the way they did so with the successor Tridents. Although they are indeed likely 4-speeders, 5-speed was optional back then as London General's VC1-5 had 5th gear (additionally with coach seatings in the case of VC1-3), which I found out when allocated VC2¹ on the 77A, the bus engaging 5th gear at around 25 mph. ¹ - super shortage of serviceable buses at the time I loved the Palatine bodied Dennis Arrow's, had a lot of very fast journeys on the evening 179 and 123's. They were euro 2 IIRC
Many London firms only went for the Trident because the B7L was rejected by LT due to the long overhang and 10 years later they then agreed to the B5LH which had a similar long rear overhang. If the B7TL came out before, Dennis would have never got many of the orders for the Trident. Operators like Metroline, London United, London Sovereign may have never touched the Trident. Stagecoach may have been in the same position, but chose not to buy Volvo due to Volvo switching production of Volvo chassis to Sweden and mainland Europe and closing down the plant in Scotland.
Some firms however did continue to order Tridents when the B7TL was finally available, and thankfully to as it would have otherwise been rather boring having London's low floor deckers being predominantly one type. I was really happy when i read that London General were ordering Tridents for the 88, especially after being disappointed on the general performance of the three speed PVLs, many at the time having rather sluggish pull away and none of them having any proper kick down. Then to make it worse the intelligent kickdown was also switched off on some buses. Granted some of those PDL Tridents were just as sluggish on pullaway, the steering was a bit heavier and no ABS feature on those early variants but I nevertheless liked having the variety plus the later ones ordered were improved on the said aspects.
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Post by M1104 on Dec 19, 2019 17:34:02 GMT
LDP206 now with the Bromley Bus Preservation Group, collected earlier today from Bexleyheath bus garage.
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Post by grahamk748 on Dec 21, 2019 15:44:39 GMT
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