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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 11:26:27 GMT
Ok, its another one those threads. But this time I can't get my head around something. Is it believed that the NBFL's are being withdrawn from Route 38.
On this text which i found on London Bus Routes website.
So as the PVR goes down to 5 from AE garage where the NBFL's are situated. Does it mean the official timetable for the NBFL will be withdrawn and the garage decides what time the NBFL can operate on Route 38.
Plus supplementary service means a bus from another type operating on the same route. Currently Route 9 and 15 have the heritage routes that operate parallel to the main route. That would be a supplementary service.
I just want to know your views on it?
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Post by M1104 on Jun 10, 2013 12:34:34 GMT
A supplementary service is not necessarily a different type of bus from what is usually on route. It's basically additional buses added on that's not part of its contracted PVR. The 188's temporary extension to Euston during the Olympics is one example, where more or less the same type of buses were nevertheless used. Up to six buses were added on to its usual PVR of twenty-two.
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 10, 2013 15:47:21 GMT
If you re-read the text you've included in your original post it says that the Borismasters will be used alongside the existing PVR. If I read it correctly is assume that the '38X' journeys are being withdrawn.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 10, 2013 16:48:26 GMT
If you re-read the text you've included in your original post it says that the Borismasters will be used alongside the existing PVR. If I read it correctly is assume that the '38X' journeys are being withdrawn. That's my reading of it. It looks like the NB4Ls might therefore reach Clapton Pond. As the change relates to the closure of Narrow Way it is clearly a measure to reduce the number of movements in and out of Clapton Garage which will be a pinch point on the revised traffic system. The 38's PVR is falling again - another 5 buses off - giving a reduction of 25%. The other thing that's a bit odd is a swap of weekend buses between the 38 and N38 with more buses on the N38 from Walthamstow at 0500 or so with a corresponding withdrawal of 38s starting from Clapton Pond. I assume this is something to do with removing dead mileage by livening up currently empty workings and avoiding a need for empty workings from Clapton Garage up to Clapton Pond. |
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 10, 2013 19:28:03 GMT
If you re-read the text you've included in your original post it says that the Borismasters will be used alongside the existing PVR. If I read it correctly is assume that the '38X' journeys are being withdrawn. That's my reading of it. It looks like the NB4Ls might therefore reach Clapton Pond. As the change relates to the closure of Narrow Way it is clearly a measure to reduce the number of movements in and out of Clapton Garage which will be a pinch point on the revised traffic system. The 38's PVR is falling again - another 5 buses off - giving a reduction of 25%. The other thing that's a bit odd is a swap of weekend buses between the 38 and N38 with more buses on the N38 from Walthamstow at 0500 or so with a corresponding withdrawal of 38s starting from Clapton Pond. I assume this is something to do with removing dead mileage by livening up currently empty workings and avoiding a need for empty workings from Clapton Garage up to Clapton Pond. I'd assume also that a route test has been carried out at Clapton Pond. Unless of course the Borismasters will be scheduled 'Hackney Central' workings in which case I stand corrected. Be interesting to see how this goes. I also note that there is publicity on the stops around Hackney regarding the removal of the D6 from the area. |
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Post by Swadbus on Jun 10, 2013 20:06:49 GMT
Route 38X is withdrawn with the NB4L being incorporated in the usual 38 workings.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 10, 2013 20:22:08 GMT
I'd assume also that a route test has been carried out at Clapton Pond. Unless of course the Borismasters will be scheduled 'Hackney Central' workings in which case I stand corrected. Be interesting to see how this goes. I also note that there is publicity on the stops around Hackney regarding the removal of the D6 from the area. Not sure why a route test is necessary really now that the 38 terminates in the middle of the roundabout with acres of space. If a NB4L can't use that then it should be consigned to the rubbish bin immediately. The old stands at Clapton would be an issue but I think only the 393 sneaks in there these days (happy to be corrected). |
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Post by eggmiester on Jun 10, 2013 20:55:01 GMT
In a nutshell, to add to those already posted, this means the NB4L's will work the whole 38 route from Victoria to Clapton Pond but be allocated from AE, that will be the only difference. The 5 bus pvr will allow for flexible allocation plus that fact that the original first batch of NB4L's may need to return to wrights (one by one) for production modifications like LT1 had done so before its trip to the US.
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 11, 2013 18:20:38 GMT
I'd assume also that a route test has been carried out at Clapton Pond. Unless of course the Borismasters will be scheduled 'Hackney Central' workings in which case I stand corrected. Be interesting to see how this goes. I also note that there is publicity on the stops around Hackney regarding the removal of the D6 from the area. Not sure why a route test is necessary really now that the 38 terminates in the middle of the roundabout with acres of space. If a NB4L can't use that then it should be consigned to the rubbish bin immediately. The old stands at Clapton would be an issue but I think only the 393 sneaks in there these days (happy to be corrected). Yeah I didn't know what the stand at Clapton Pond was like  |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 12, 2013 8:06:02 GMT
So does that mean more DWs are becoming spare from the 38 allocation? If so I wonder where they will head to. The 317 possibly?
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Post by vjaska on Jun 12, 2013 9:32:35 GMT
So does that mean more DWs are becoming spare from the 38 allocation? If so I wonder where they will head to. The 317 possibly? The 317 will be VLW allocated. |
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