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Post by Steve80 on Jul 4, 2013 3:07:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 8:28:35 GMT
There's no CSA on the 38s anymore, so the 38 is essentially functioning as 3-door OPO (as I discovered the 24 does when OPO operated, this morning) - the rear door will open but only at stops.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 11:41:26 GMT
On a video by MyParadiseLostJS, the passenger comes up to the driver asking about the conductors removed. Here is the quick transcript I made at 0:55:15 youtu.be/Iql2yq_d_GE?t=3314sPassenger: They get rid of the conductor, Are they going to get rid of them buses anyway? Driver: I don’t know Passenger: But Arriva won’t have them because they can’t get the torch to fix them, so that is a bit of a waste of time so far. at 0:58:30 youtu.be/Iql2yq_d_GE?t=58m29sPassenger: Is this the last stop? Driver: No next one Passenger: When did they take the conductors off? Driver: Saturday Passenger: Oh when they refuse the buses finally, they took the conductors off. Driver: Yep Passenger: Coz they are not gonna have these? Driver: Probably not Passenger: Yep, but they can’t get the torch for it, so if they break down they’re stuffed. I also think they are doing it as a trial in order to see the performance of the One Man Operation during the day. I think it will be unpopular because as what the Bus Assistant Episode 3 of the Routemasters programme says "Allot of people that we speak to prefer conductor on the back, probably about 90%". So TFL needs to start doing surveys to see the real estimate. Right now, Go Ahead London is employing for conductors on their route. www.londoncentral.com/join-our-team/nbfl.htmlIn Other news there have been vandalism on the New bus. ow.ly/i/2wzA2/original
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Post by Late Again on Jul 4, 2013 11:54:38 GMT
How much are they paying these passenger assistants. And do you reckon they get staff and nominee passes.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 4, 2013 13:52:04 GMT
How much are they paying these passenger assistants. And do you reckon they get staff and nominee passes. It is somewhat surprising that those details are not in the advert or in the detailed job description. I assume this is to try to avoid "adverse comment" on the salary. Quite why anyone would apply for a job with no advertised pay rate is beyond me.
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Post by snowman on Jul 4, 2013 14:14:45 GMT
How much are they paying these passenger assistants. And do you reckon they get staff and nominee passes. The Ad is also on page 54 of todays Metro newspaper, they blanked the bus numberplate, but left part of the Arriva name above the entrance door on the photo Doesn't give rates of pay but says they (and benefits) are excelent. ..... have a look in a dictonary at definition of excelent then decide if you should complain to Advertising Standards Have just looked at the detailed job description, duties include : "Assist the driver in any vehicle movements..." "At the end of each trip remove any litter from the vehicle." "have a visible presence to upper deck ... customers." amongst personal requirements are ".....ensure uniform is immaculate....." and "good spoken English essential." Tough job
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 4, 2013 20:30:37 GMT
On a video by MyParadiseLostJS, the passenger comes up to the driver asking about the conductors removed. Here is the quick transcript I made at 0:55:15 youtu.be/Iql2yq_d_GE?t=3314sPassenger: They get rid of the conductor, Are they going to get rid of them buses anyway? Driver: I don’t know Passenger: But Arriva won’t have them because they can’t get the torch to fix them, so that is a bit of a waste of time so far. at 0:58:30 youtu.be/Iql2yq_d_GE?t=58m29sPassenger: Is this the last stop? Driver: No next one Passenger: When did they take the conductors off? Driver: Saturday Passenger: Oh when they refuse the buses finally, they took the conductors off. Driver: Yep Passenger: Coz they are not gonna have these? Driver: Probably not Passenger: Yep, but they can’t get the torch for it, so if they break down they’re stuffed. I also think they are doing it as a trial in order to see the performance of the One Man Operation during the day. I think it will be unpopular because as what the Bus Assistant Episode 3 of the Routemasters programme says "Allot of people that we speak to prefer conductor on the back, probably about 90%". So TFL needs to start doing surveys to see the real estimate. Right now, Go Ahead London is employing for conductors on their route. www.londoncentral.com/join-our-team/nbfl.htmlIn Other news there have been vandalism on the New bus. ow.ly/i/2wzA2/originalWhat do you mean TfL want to see the performance of OMO? There is about 7500 odd buses that run with 'OMO'.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 4, 2013 20:51:45 GMT
I also think they are doing it as a trial in order to see the performance of the One Man Operation during the day. I think it will be unpopular because as what the Bus Assistant Episode 3 of the Routemasters programme says "Allot of people that we speak to prefer conductor on the back, probably about 90%". So TFL needs to start doing surveys to see the real estimate. What do you mean TfL want to see the performance of OMO? There is about 7500 odd buses that run with 'OMO'. Anyone who eventually saw BBC Local News last night would have seen Leon Daniels being interviewed about the removal of conductors from route 38. The argument put forward for removing conductors on route 38 was that a "mixed" operation was confusing to passengers and that "crew" buses caught up with the bus in front because they were faster. These were the reasons why conductors were being removed. To be honest I think it's all a load of old garbage. If a mixed operation was "confusing" why bother running a trial on that basis for 15 months? Seems to me that most regular passengers worked out exactly how a NB4L worked compared to a normal DD. The supplementary schedule was designed to squash the NB4Ls 2 minutes apart from DW buses. Given the horrendous traffic on a lot of the 38 it was ludicrous to expect buses not to bunch. Given the "conductor" has no revenue duties it is a fallacy to suggest the "conductor" makes a NB4L faster than a normal OPO bus. It is the fact the NB4L is open boarding via three doors that makes the difference. However it is all a bit daft to suppose that there is any detailed data to justify one argument over another. TfL has simply decided to end the trial so it removed the "conductor" role. Quite why they cannot just say this I don't know. The NB4L is designed to run as an OPO bus as well as one with an open platform. Seems to me that the politicians are having selective memory syndrome again with their criticism.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 5, 2013 1:11:08 GMT
What do you mean TfL want to see the performance of OMO? There is about 7500 odd buses that run with 'OMO'. Anyone who eventually saw BBC Local News last night would have seen Leon Daniels being interviewed about the removal of conductors from route 38. The argument put forward for removing conductors on route 38 was that a "mixed" operation was confusing to passengers and that "crew" buses caught up with the bus in front because they were faster. These were the reasons why conductors were being removed. To be honest I think it's all a load of old garbage. If a mixed operation was "confusing" why bother running a trial on that basis for 15 months? Seems to me that most regular passengers worked out exactly how a NB4L worked compared to a normal DD. The supplementary schedule was designed to squash the NB4Ls 2 minutes apart from DW buses. Given the horrendous traffic on a lot of the 38 it was ludicrous to expect buses not to bunch. Given the "conductor" has no revenue duties it is a fallacy to suggest the "conductor" makes a NB4L faster than a normal OPO bus. It is the fact the NB4L is open boarding via three doors that makes the difference. However it is all a bit daft to suppose that there is any detailed data to justify one argument over another. TfL has simply decided to end the trial so it removed the "conductor" role. Quite why they cannot just say this I don't know. The NB4L is designed to run as an OPO bus as well as one with an open platform. Seems to me that the politicians are having selective memory syndrome again with their criticism. I agree- I mean, if a mixed operation is confusing, I wonder how passengers on the 9 & 15 have coped over the last 7 years
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Post by greeny253 on Jul 5, 2013 10:04:42 GMT
What do you mean TfL want to see the performance of OMO? There is about 7500 odd buses that run with 'OMO'. Anyone who eventually saw BBC Local News last night would have seen Leon Daniels being interviewed about the removal of conductors from route 38. The argument put forward for removing conductors on route 38 was that a "mixed" operation was confusing to passengers and that "crew" buses caught up with the bus in front because they were faster. These were the reasons why conductors were being removed. To be honest I think it's all a load of old garbage. If a mixed operation was "confusing" why bother running a trial on that basis for 15 months? Seems to me that most regular passengers worked out exactly how a NB4L worked compared to a normal DD. The supplementary schedule was designed to squash the NB4Ls 2 minutes apart from DW buses. Given the horrendous traffic on a lot of the 38 it was ludicrous to expect buses not to bunch. Given the "conductor" has no revenue duties it is a fallacy to suggest the "conductor" makes a NB4L faster than a normal OPO bus. It is the fact the NB4L is open boarding via three doors that makes the difference. However it is all a bit daft to suppose that there is any detailed data to justify one argument over another. TfL has simply decided to end the trial so it removed the "conductor" role. Quite why they cannot just say this I don't know. The NB4L is designed to run as an OPO bus as well as one with an open platform. Seems to me that the politicians are having selective memory syndrome again with their criticism. They've clearly never looked at a normal day on the 38's! Quite often see 2 or 3 running close together..
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Post by M1104 on Jul 5, 2013 13:26:23 GMT
Anyone who eventually saw BBC Local News last night would have seen Leon Daniels being interviewed about the removal of conductors from route 38. The argument put forward for removing conductors on route 38 was that a "mixed" operation was confusing to passengers and that "crew" buses caught up with the bus in front because they were faster. These were the reasons why conductors were being removed. To be honest I think it's all a load of old garbage. If a mixed operation was "confusing" why bother running a trial on that basis for 15 months? Seems to me that most regular passengers worked out exactly how a NB4L worked compared to a normal DD. The supplementary schedule was designed to squash the NB4Ls 2 minutes apart from DW buses. Given the horrendous traffic on a lot of the 38 it was ludicrous to expect buses not to bunch. Given the "conductor" has no revenue duties it is a fallacy to suggest the "conductor" makes a NB4L faster than a normal OPO bus. It is the fact the NB4L is open boarding via three doors that makes the difference. However it is all a bit daft to suppose that there is any detailed data to justify one argument over another. TfL has simply decided to end the trial so it removed the "conductor" role. Quite why they cannot just say this I don't know. The NB4L is designed to run as an OPO bus as well as one with an open platform. Seems to me that the politicians are having selective memory syndrome again with their criticism. I agree- I mean, if a mixed operation is confusing, I wonder how passengers on the 9 & 15 have coped over the last 7 years
Not to mention the odd Sundays back in the 90s when the 12 and/or 36 had some buses with conductors and some without.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 15:12:46 GMT
Anyone who eventually saw BBC Local News last night would have seen Leon Daniels being interviewed about the removal of conductors from route 38. The argument put forward for removing conductors on route 38 was that a "mixed" operation was confusing to passengers and that "crew" buses caught up with the bus in front because they were faster. These were the reasons why conductors were being removed. To be honest I think it's all a load of old garbage. If a mixed operation was "confusing" why bother running a trial on that basis for 15 months? Seems to me that most regular passengers worked out exactly how a NB4L worked compared to a normal DD. The supplementary schedule was designed to squash the NB4Ls 2 minutes apart from DW buses. Given the horrendous traffic on a lot of the 38 it was ludicrous to expect buses not to bunch. Given the "conductor" has no revenue duties it is a fallacy to suggest the "conductor" makes a NB4L faster than a normal OPO bus. It is the fact the NB4L is open boarding via three doors that makes the difference. However it is all a bit daft to suppose that there is any detailed data to justify one argument over another. TfL has simply decided to end the trial so it removed the "conductor" role. Quite why they cannot just say this I don't know. The NB4L is designed to run as an OPO bus as well as one with an open platform. Seems to me that the politicians are having selective memory syndrome again with their criticism. I agree- I mean, if a mixed operation is confusing, I wonder how passengers on the 9 & 15 have coped over the last 7 years When I rode the 24 yesterday morning, nobody was using the back platform at all. Everyone just went on the front doors and got off the middle.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jul 5, 2013 15:30:02 GMT
I agree- I mean, if a mixed operation is confusing, I wonder how passengers on the 9 & 15 have coped over the last 7 years When I rode the 24 yesterday morning, nobody was using the back platform at all. Everyone just went on the front doors and got off the middle. I think that this is going to be the case the majority of the time. Point is that the bus pulls up at the stop as a conventional opo bus would, where everyone is waiting. There are very few people that are going to be running for the bus, and so not many people will board at the rear. Additionally, with the conductor or what ever they are called blocking the rear platform, there is not much incentive to attempt to get off at the back. As I have said before, I like the look of the bus a lot, and I think that it is a lovely ride. However, not a lot of thought has been given to it operationally. I would keep the front and centre doors closed when in crew mode (to be opened for wheelchairs and buggys only. Let the conductor do a proper job of collecting fares and keep the back door locked shut and operate it as a conventional bus when in opo mode. But I guess this would be too confusing. At least just let the conductor do a proper job, and stick some windows on it. On the 38's I noticed how hot it was even on an average day.......now we finally have some decent weather, the complaints are coming in (see todays standard)
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 5, 2013 20:01:21 GMT
Looks more like middle-class graffiti, I'm seeing the words 'HATE' and what looks like 'horrible' Leon Daniels can save face and halt any more routes getting converted, or allowing Metroline to put the VWH's back on the route while the batch of Ovenmasters goes back to Wright to be modified. On 'London's Transport' under the thread 'Scorchio' they are not mincing their words... Interesting that you wouldn't transport animals in the heat (32C) generated on the top deck of the LT's at the minute
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Post by M1104 on Jul 5, 2013 20:35:47 GMT
When I rode the 24 yesterday morning, nobody was using the back platform at all. Everyone just went on the front doors and got off the middle. I think that this is going to be the case the majority of the time. Point is that the bus pulls up at the stop as a conventional opo bus would, where everyone is waiting. There are very few people that are going to be running for the bus, and so not many people will board at the rear. Additionally, with the conductor or what ever they are called blocking the rear platform, there is not much incentive to attempt to get off at the back. As I have said before, I like the look of the bus a lot, and I think that it is a lovely ride. However, not a lot of thought has been given to it operationally. I would keep the front and centre doors closed when in crew mode (to be opened for wheelchairs and buggys only. Let the conductor do a proper job of collecting fares and keep the back door locked shut and operate it as a conventional bus when in opo mode. But I guess this would be too confusing. At least just let the conductor do a proper job, and stick some windows on it. On the 38's I noticed how hot it was even on an average day.......now we finally have some decent weather, the complaints are coming in (see todays standard) The decent weather will last till at least Wednesday, 26°C on average. With all the tall buildings, traffic exhaust and body heat that will mean at least 30-35°C upstairs in those LTs.
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