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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Aug 15, 2013 15:37:07 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Aug 15, 2013 17:17:34 GMT
I responded to the consultation on the bus service changes proposed for T Hale. TfL responded today with the resultsThe result is that TfL have made no changes to the proposals and therefore the 123 and 230 will run via Monument Way missing out Seven Sisters. The W4 and 41 will run both ways on Broad Lane. This means the W4 serves the shops and station at Seven Sisters in both directions. The N73 will divert via Monument Way and the High Road in both directions. I'm not very happy as I'd hoped that the 123 would run via Seven Sisters in both directions but no such luck.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Aug 15, 2013 18:15:38 GMT
Snoggle I had started a thread earlier about the exact same thing! Haha Maybe the mods or admins can merge the two? I responded to the consultation on the bus service changes proposed for T Hale. TfL responded today with the resultsThe result is that TfL have made no changes to the proposals and therefore the 123 and 230 will run via Monument Way missing out Seven Sisters. The W4 and 41 will run both ways on Broad Lane. This means the W4 serves the shops and station at Seven Sisters in both directions. The N73 will divert via Monument Way and the High Road in both directions. I'm not very happy as I'd hoped that the 123 would run via Seven Sisters in both directions but no such luck.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 15, 2013 21:41:39 GMT
Snoggle I had started a thread earlier about the exact same thing! Haha Maybe the mods or admins can merge the two? I responded to the consultation on the bus service changes proposed for T Hale. TfL responded today with the resultsThe result is that TfL have made no changes to the proposals and therefore the 123 and 230 will run via Monument Way missing out Seven Sisters. The W4 and 41 will run both ways on Broad Lane. This means the W4 serves the shops and station at Seven Sisters in both directions. The N73 will divert via Monument Way and the High Road in both directions. I'm not very happy as I'd hoped that the 123 would run via Seven Sisters in both directions but no such luck. Sorry - I hadn't spotted your other thread. Happy for my post to be shoved into your thread.
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Post by DLA 365 on Aug 15, 2013 23:21:12 GMT
Snoggle I had started a thread earlier about the exact same thing! Haha Maybe the mods or admins can merge the two? Done as requested
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 16, 2013 16:24:18 GMT
I responded to the consultation on the bus service changes proposed for T Hale. TfL responded today with the resultsThe result is that TfL have made no changes to the proposals and therefore the 123 and 230 will run via Monument Way missing out Seven Sisters. The W4 and 41 will run both ways on Broad Lane. This means the W4 serves the shops and station at Seven Sisters in both directions. The N73 will divert via Monument Way and the High Road in both directions. I'm not very happy as I'd hoped that the 123 would run via Seven Sisters in both directions but no such luck. Monument Way is almost ready... They have Tarmacked the road and put down the road markings...i think the date it opens is October 16, though I could be wrong...
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Post by VPL630 on Aug 16, 2013 16:29:40 GMT
How hard would it be to extend the 41/N41 to Angel Road Superstores, it would take a massive load off the 192
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Post by snoggle on Aug 16, 2013 16:51:51 GMT
How hard would it be to extend the 41/N41 to Angel Road Superstores, it would take a massive load off the 192 Well there might be a struggle for stand space at IKEA given there can be 3 341s standing around with 192s also whizzing about or being curtailed. There would also be expense given it's a 5 minute headway and it would get snarled up in the AM peak jams down Watermead Way. I still prefer my option of diverting the 349 to cover Watermead Way, IKEA, Montagu Road and along to Silver Street as it would give a wide spread of access but in a more affordable, lower frequency way.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 16, 2013 17:21:56 GMT
I responded to the consultation on the bus service changes proposed for T Hale. TfL responded today with the resultsThe result is that TfL have made no changes to the proposals and therefore the 123 and 230 will run via Monument Way missing out Seven Sisters. The W4 and 41 will run both ways on Broad Lane. This means the W4 serves the shops and station at Seven Sisters in both directions. The N73 will divert via Monument Way and the High Road in both directions. I'm not very happy as I'd hoped that the 123 would run via Seven Sisters in both directions but no such luck. Same old story it seems - no matter who or how many suggest better ideas, they aren't valued enough to be implemented. The Bromley North changes were another example and I'm sure there are plenty of others.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Aug 16, 2013 18:00:09 GMT
If there is a lack of stand space, there might be some a bit further north at Lea Valley Leisure complex (formerly picketts lock) which currently houses the W8!
I agree with extending the 76 to Tottenham Hale!
I had a suggestion with the 349 which was noted in the figures!
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 16, 2013 18:05:55 GMT
As well as altering the bus station at Tottenham Hale, they're remodelling the station, longer platforms to accommodate these for Cambridge and King's Lynn services As for the 41, they could run it upto Angel Road Superstores, though stand space is limited
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Post by VPL630 on Aug 17, 2013 18:39:06 GMT
How hard would it be to extend the 41/N41 to Angel Road Superstores, it would take a massive load off the 192 Well there might be a struggle for stand space at IKEA given there can be 3 341s standing around with 192s also whizzing about or being curtailed. There would also be expense given it's a 5 minute headway and it would get snarled up in the AM peak jams down Watermead Way. I still prefer my option of diverting the 349 to cover Watermead Way, IKEA, Montagu Road and along to Silver Street as it would give a wide spread of access but in a more affordable, lower frequency way. Every other bus
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Post by snoggle on Oct 20, 2013 13:40:03 GMT
We have now moved into implementation of the route changes. Oh well the changes have gone through today.
I had a ride through the revised layout on a bus *from* Wood Green so no changes to the number of stops served but a different way through the road layout.
Accepting it is a first day the layout does not seem to be working. Tottenham High Rd n/b was jammed solid on the approach to the junction at Monument Way (near the bus garage). The e/b section of Monument Way was jammed completely solid back across the junction with the High Road. The jam continued the whole through to Watermead Way up to Northumberland Park. Traffic heading south towards Finsbury Park / Stoke Newington clearly has no clue that you drive west along Monument Way and then turn down T'Ham High Road. There was virtually no traffic flow on Monument Way w/b nor were there any people waiting for the 123 or 230 at the new stop. There is a new bus shelter there but no stop pole, no timetables or maps. Instead nearly everyone is still turning towards Broad Lane thus jamming that junction and the subsequent one into Broad Lane near the Retail Park. Traffic wanting to reach Watermead Way from the Ferry Lane was also blocking the junction onto The Hale (this links Monument Way to Watermead Way). This stops traffic leaving Watermead Way!
There was a huge number of people waiting at the Tottenham Retail Park stop - probably for buses that will never turn up. As there is no permanent bus stop at this location presently (just a dolly stop) there is no information telling people buses have been diverted. The new stop at Tottenham Hale Station (a dolly stop) that replaces the bus station stop is virtually invisible in amongst the jumble of railings and barriers. Only 1 person had found it and yet there were 20 odd people at the next stop over the bridge - nul points from the snoggle jury.
It was impossible to see the new stops for the 41 and 192 which are shoved north of the old bus station but I did see a 41 bus stuck in the non moving traffic.
The 123 I was on took over 10 minutes to crawl through the morass of cars and traffic cones. Goodness knows what peak hour traffic conditions will be like. I know it is only day 1 but this is a mess.
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Post by Swadbus on Oct 20, 2013 15:46:39 GMT
To be fair, your post is only after 12 hours of operation as it only went "live" just after 0230 this morning. Let's give it a few days to bed in.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 20, 2013 17:45:15 GMT
To be fair, your post is only after 12 hours of operation as it only went "live" just after 0230 this morning. Let's give it a few days to bed in. Yes and to be fair and balanced I made sure there were two references to the fact that it is the first day. That does not alter what I saw with my own eyes and what my opinion is today! It may calm down but it will require some effort on the part of TfL and its contractors to make it *obvious* to drivers that the main route from north / east to south / west is via Monument Way and not via Broad Lane. I will remain of the view that the bus service changes are a mess until the day that TfL makes the required changes to restore a bus link between Walthamstow and Seven Sisters. I can't wait, nasty vindictive person that I am, for the Victoria Line service to collapse and then for people in Walthamstow to discover that they can no longer get to Seven Sisters tube on the bus. There were vast numbers of people who use the 123 and 230 on the Broad Lane corridor who now face being squashed into a W4 to change elsewhere or a considerable walk, certainly more than 400 metres, to reach the 123 and 230 heading to Wood Green. I am afraid I just do not see that sending buses *via the shortest route* which is also the most inconvenient is in any way passenger friendly. It's a mistake and nothing will make me change my mind as I have years and years of experience of using buses in that area and knowing how people change between routes and where people catch buses. Do the TfL planners have years and years of experience of bus usage in that area? Have they reviewed years and years of bus usage data for that area to determine the best outcome? My other observation, and this applies to a load of road layout changes, is that the lanes and turns are very narrow. They look to be the absolute bare minimum legal width which means it only takes a vehicle to be offset by millimetres and nothing can pass. This design issue has been replicated across London which causes undue delays because it does not reflect the reality of how people drive. Older traffic lanes seem to have more space. And just for the record I have been to two consultation sessions on this scheme and submitted by views during the recent consultation. I have had lengthy discussions with TfL traffic engineers and while I recognise they have modelled the scheme I still do not think it will work and it could be improved. The same applies to the bus routes. Therefore don't think I am just an armchair critic - I have engaged as positively as I can with the process that TfL have laid out. It is such a shame that the public's views, and those of someone who knows something about transport, have been comprehensively ignored.
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