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Post by sw11simon on Aug 22, 2013 16:44:03 GMT
When the 133 was at Stockwell (before there was an N133) I believe the first duty signed on at 03:15 meaning the bus would start its first journey around 4am...if not before. I remember the first duty on the 133, duty 81, signing on at 03.44. I don't think I ever worked it but I've been quite efficient here and have dragged my diary out from 1997 - my rota at the time definitely had the first job to sign on in the morning, duty 71, which did a rounder on route N19 and then ran onto route 49. This duty signed on at 3.40. Unless you are going back to before 1996 I think the first 133 left Tooting at 4.10 or 4.15
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Post by sw11simon on Aug 22, 2013 16:48:11 GMT
Route 118 is the most extreme route that came to my head - first bus leaves Morden at 03.55 and last bus gets there at 02.01
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Post by M1104 on Aug 22, 2013 17:02:37 GMT
Route 118 is the most extreme route that came to my head - first bus leaves Morden at 03.55 and last bus gets there at 02.01 That would partly explain why the N133 only goes to Mitcham, the residents of Wandle Road and Morden Road being without a 118 for only two hours.
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Post by slr on Aug 22, 2013 17:39:42 GMT
When the 133 was at Stockwell (before there was an N133) I believe the first duty signed on at 03:15 meaning the bus would start its first journey around 4am...if not before. I remember the first duty on the 133, duty 81, signing on at 03.44. I don't think I ever worked it but I've been quite efficient here and have dragged my diary out from 1997 - my rota at the time definitely had the first job to sign on in the morning, duty 71, which did a rounder on route N19 and then ran onto route 49. This duty signed on at 3.40. Unless you are going back to before 1996 I think the first 133 left Tooting at 4.10 or 4.15 Duty 1 on route 171 still signs on at 0332 I believe.
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Post by sw11simon on Aug 22, 2013 18:09:47 GMT
Route 118 is the most extreme route that came to my head - first bus leaves Morden at 03.55 and last bus gets there at 02.01 That would partly explain why the N133 only goes to Mitcham, the residents of Wandle Road and Morden Road being without a 118 for only two hours. Not quite with the flow - last bus leaves Morden at 00.55 so 3 hours and the first southbound arrives at Morden at 05.19 so 3.18 hours. Interesting the last bus from Morden runs 20 mins behind the first N133, last bus from Brixton is ahead of the first N133.
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 22, 2013 19:47:51 GMT
Also, the first 47 leaves Bellingham at 3:42 am, then gets to Shoreditch around 4:20 I believe.
And, the last 121 leaves Turnpike Lane at 1:30 and gets to Enfield Island at around 2:15 am
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Post by Volvo on Aug 25, 2013 21:50:53 GMT
Does it count that the N38/73 start sometimes about 10.50pm
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 25, 2013 22:47:51 GMT
Does it count that the N38/73 start sometimes about 10.50pm Yes, but isn't it only on weekends that the N38 and N73 start only?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 26, 2013 8:38:37 GMT
Does it count that the N38/73 start sometimes about 10.50pm Yes, but isn't it only on weekends that the N38 and N73 start only? No, the N73 starts at 2259 ex Victoria every day. The N38 starts at Walthamstow at 2324 nightly, first buses ex Victoria are rather later.
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 29, 2013 16:48:17 GMT
Also, the first 47 leaves Bellingham at 3:42 am, then gets to Shoreditch around 4:20 I believe. And, the last 121 leaves Turnpike Lane at 1:30 and gets to Enfield Island at around 2:15 am The 47/N47 is unusual in that they both run in the same direction for some time in the small hours - though of course, the N47 doesn't serve Bishopgate or Liverpool Street, where a number of people go to work at that time of day.
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Post by Mokujin on Sept 1, 2013 22:19:48 GMT
I think route 75 should turn into a 24-hour service because: (1) It provides a night link between Lewisham and Croydon.
(2) The route terminates at Lewisham at 02:00, then runs light to C which will take at least an hour, then another 75 will have to run light from C to Lewisham which at 04:00, it will have to start service to Croydon. But I think it was best if the route started at Croydon first at 04:00, so it will be easier for the drivers to run light from the garage as it's only 15-20 min from the terminus.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 1, 2013 23:19:09 GMT
I think route 75 should turn into a 24-hour service because: (1) It provides a night link between Lewisham and Croydon. (2) The route terminates at Lewisham at 02:00, then runs light to C which will take at least an hour, then another 75 will have to run light from C to Lewisham which at 04:00, it will have to start service to Croydon. But I think it was best if the route started at Croydon first at 04:00, so it will be easier for the drivers to run light from the garage as it's only 15-20 min from the terminus. 75 was 24 hour but was discontinued due to Low Usage. I don't see the need for a 24 Hour service for the 75 unless it travels beyond Lewisham into Central London. The 75 pretty much has a good early morning service which people can use to travel to work.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2013 2:13:15 GMT
I think route 75 should turn into a 24-hour service because: (1) It provides a night link between Lewisham and Croydon. (2) The route terminates at Lewisham at 02:00, then runs light to C which will take at least an hour, then another 75 will have to run light from C to Lewisham which at 04:00, it will have to start service to Croydon. But I think it was best if the route started at Croydon first at 04:00, so it will be easier for the drivers to run light from the garage as it's only 15-20 min from the terminus. 75 was 24 hour but was discontinued due to Low Usage. I don't see the need for a 24 Hour service for the 75 unless it travels beyond Lewisham into Central London. The 75 pretty much has a good early morning service which people can use to travel to work. The problem is, Norwood Junction at night is difficult to travel to & from now that there is no buses after a certain time.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 2, 2013 9:01:36 GMT
75 was 24 hour but was discontinued due to Low Usage. I don't see the need for a 24 Hour service for the 75 unless it travels beyond Lewisham into Central London. The 75 pretty much has a good early morning service which people can use to travel to work. The problem is, Norwood Junction at night is difficult to travel to & from now that there is no buses after a certain time. To help Norwood Junction itself the Coulsdon-bound N68 could be made to avoid turning right into Whitehorse Road, instead following the 196 routing to the NDJN terminus then come back on itself to then turn left onto Whitehorse Road to continue on to Old Coulsdon. The Tottenham Court Road-bound buses can do the same double-back routing in return, adding about 4 to 5 minutes to the overall routing in both directions.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 2, 2013 9:13:12 GMT
75 was 24 hour but was discontinued due to Low Usage. I don't see the need for a 24 Hour service for the 75 unless it travels beyond Lewisham into Central London. The 75 pretty much has a good early morning service which people can use to travel to work. I'm surprised there was low usage on the route, personally. Most night routes don't seem to take floods of passengers, aside obvious ones like the incredibly busy N29. I agree it probably should run to another more useful objective - not necessarily Central London as there's many night routes from Lewisham and Croydon to there - but somewhere else useful from Lewisham. The thing is most people travelling at Night come to and from Central London as that is where most Night Routes start from and Finish. There are some 24 routes that could be merged, e.g the N64 could replace the 264 Night service creating a whole New link to Tooting at Night.
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