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Post by Connor on Aug 16, 2013 0:09:11 GMT
Just something I was discussing with someone - as a matter of curiosity, what's earliest and latest a journey on a night route runs? Essentially, what's the first and last journey to run with an N-prefix in London... I think the lastest night route is the N5 on Sunday mornings towards Edgware. It's last journey finishes at 10:00. |
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Post by Ice Prxnce on Aug 16, 2013 0:34:00 GMT
I know this is off topic to the thread, but also routes 350, 423, 482, 490 all start between 3:15 am and 3:30 am because of T5.
While routes 47, 158 and 422 start between 3:40 am and 3:55 am.
In relation to the topic, route N9 terminates at Hounslow around 7:30 am I think |
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Post by eggmiester on Aug 16, 2013 3:12:56 GMT
Just something I was discussing with someone - as a matter of curiosity, what's earliest and latest a journey on a night route runs? Essentially, what's the first and last journey to run with an N-prefix in London... I think the lastest night route is the N5 on Sunday mornings towards Edgware. It's last journey finishes at 10:00. those journeys are actually extras to cover the closure of the northern line edgware brach whilst they install the ATO on that section. After about 6am the N5's only run Edgware to Euston as route N5U (they show N5 and ibus still announces n5 - the N5U is the internal number for the extras), these arent effectively night buses, theyre technically rail replacements. i know the first N89 on friday/saturday nights is at 23:40, but the N9 shows journeys as early as 22:23 from hounslow towards aldwych.... |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 16, 2013 3:29:40 GMT
When the 133 was at Stockwell (before there was an N133) I believe the first duty signed on at 03:15 meaning the bus would start its first journey around 4am...if not before.
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Post by su31 on Aug 16, 2013 7:43:40 GMT
Well the westbound N15 finishes far too early on a Sunday! I live in Dagenham, along the number 5 route. If the N15 ran an extra half hour I'd be able to catch this to work. Because it stops so early (and the daytime 5 only going as far as Canning Town) I have to make an awkward journey to get to work which involves various changes.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 16, 2013 8:12:51 GMT
There are a few funnies. The first N73 out of Victoria is 2259 which is unusually early but given the run time to Walthamstow it needs to start that early to give buses for the return trip. Even then some 73s run empty on from Stamford Hill to give buses for the first couple of southbound trips from Walthamstow (based on using the route at weekends). There used to be a 0645 N73 from Walthamstow in the morning as far as Seven Sisters but TfL trimmed some of these morning "return to garage" journeys when the last contract kicked in.
The 9 and N9 have an early swap over. I was looking at the 9's timetable the other day and was surprised how early it finishes and N9s start coming into town. I suspect this is to do with the way the routes are run from two garages with Hounslow being much further out than Stamford Brook.
There is a last N38 that runs into Walthamstow at just after 0700. The last N91 at weekends reach Cockfosters at 0744.
There is a huge spread of night bus timings. Some routes barely run for more than 3-4 hours - examples are the N343 and N381 - while others run for 6-7 hours. The other thing that varies is how night frequencies mix into day frequencies - you often get a reduction when the night journeys stop and day ones start. There is also no real consistency as to how late night buses run relative to tube and train start times. I think this is down to the tendering cycle and how money was actually available when routes were retendered. Some routes clearly gained in the times of plenty whereas others have remained stuck with comparatively poor hours of operation. The same applies with day routes where there is a wide spread of start and finish times on similar sorts of services. I know some routes do not warrant early starts or really late finishes but I'm not really talking about those. One final aspect is the extent to which buses connect with last tubes or trains - there isn't consistency in how that works with services at Walthamstow Central. I imagine the same would be found at other interchanges like Stratford or Hounslow or Golders Green. Obviously consistency costs money but it would be nice to know that last day buses did connect with last trains and tubes at key locations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 8:57:38 GMT
The section of 131/N87 between Kingston and Raynes Park has a higher b.p.h between 0300 & 0500 than it does between 0500 & 0800 on Saturday and Sunday mornings because of the 10 min N87 versus the early am service on the 131 which is between 12-30 mins.
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Post by l1group on Aug 16, 2013 9:15:05 GMT
N9 definitely has one of the later finishes - finishing Sundays at 0810hrs at Heathrow T5 (I've been on that last journey a lot), and I commonly get on it when I'm forced to go to school on Saturdays (for revision etc). Thus also 9 has also a later start, the first journey coming into Charing Cross as the last N9 is getting out of Aldwych (as observed when I did my last night bus observations in June)!
I would like at least the N9 for all journeys to run to Heathrow T5 but, then again, the first Piccadilly line trains leave about the same time as the last N9s get to Hounslow afaik.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Aug 16, 2013 11:59:39 GMT
N20 gets to Barnet just before 8am I believe, think this is the latest Night route other than the rail replacement N5's but happy to be corrected!! Not sure on the earliest Night route.
On another note, am I correct in thinking that when the night 205 gets extended to Leyton, it is still going to be numbered 205 and not N205? This doesnt make sense to me, as I dont understand why the 65 to Chessington isnt the N65. It seems at odds to what TfL normally try and achieve with regards to simplicity. Does anyone know the reason for this??
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Post by westhamgeezer on Aug 16, 2013 12:00:38 GMT
N9 definitely has one of the later finishes - finishing Sundays at 0810hrs at Heathrow T5 (I've been on that last journey a lot), and I commonly get on it when I'm forced to go to school on Saturdays (for revision etc). Thus also 9 has also a later start, the first journey coming into Charing Cross as the last N9 is getting out of Aldwych (as observed when I did my last night bus observations in June)! I would like at least the N9 for all journeys to run to Heathrow T5 but, then again, the first Piccadilly line trains leave about the same time as the last N9s get to Hounslow afaik. Sorry missed this! Clearly N9 must be the latest!! |
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Post by eggmiester on Aug 17, 2013 4:49:46 GMT
In contrast, what's the earliest finishing night bus?? I know the last london bound N21 departs Bexleyheath at 03:40......
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Post by M1104 on Aug 17, 2013 9:36:26 GMT
In contrast, what's the earliest finishing night bus?? I know the last london bound N21 departs Bexleyheath at 03:40...... Roughly ten years back I did a night duty at Stockwell that finished around 2:30am, which was kind of weird as the last day bus duty from Merton (route 118) finished at 02:02. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 17, 2013 14:03:07 GMT
In contrast, what's the earliest finishing night bus?? I know the last london bound N21 departs Bexleyheath at 03:40...... Last N171 towards Tottenham Court Road leaves Hither Green at the same time. Last N171 to Hither Green actually leaves Tottenham Court Road at 4:40am and arrives at Hither Green at 5:30am which is actually the same bus that leaves Hither Green at 3:40am. |
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Post by Ice Prxnce on Aug 17, 2013 14:16:12 GMT
Also, the last day route finishes at 2:20 am which is route 121
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Post by eggmiester on Aug 17, 2013 16:10:28 GMT
A lot of night duties finish early, BX have had a night duty that finished about 2:30am once, now the earliest finish is about 3:30am on the weekends.
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