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Post by snoggle on Aug 27, 2013 16:20:14 GMT
TfL are consulting about the Piccadilly Line timetable and, in particular, about stopping trains at Turnham Green for a longer part of the service day. Consultation Link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 18:44:40 GMT
Thanks snoggle. Have submitted my response. 1. I don't believe the Piccadilly Line should stop at Turnham Green at all. It is a District Line station and there are several opportunities between South Kensington and Gloucester Road for westbound District Line passengers to change onto the Piccadilly Line should they so wish. Eastbound passengers may feel disadvantaged, but District Line trains are fairly frequent for a change to the Piccadilly Line at Hammersmith or Baron's Court. 2. How do you think TfL could improve the overall service of the Piccadilly line? I don't believe it is possible to improve it as trains already run every 2-3 minutes. Allowance has to be made for a safe gap between trains to minimise stop-start situations between stations and especially in tunnel sections. I do believe the off-peak service on the Uxbridge branch should consist of alternate trains Rayners Lane-King's Cross St Pancras and Rayners Lane-Acton Town (I believe there is a stabling point to the east of Acton Town). Only peak hour trains plus Saturday services should run right through to Uxbridge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 22:42:04 GMT
My opinion is the trains that go to Uxbridge can stop there. But the Heathrow bound trains will not stop because of people going to airports.
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 28, 2013 4:49:20 GMT
My opinion is the trains that go to Uxbridge can stop there. But the Heathrow bound trains will not stop because of people going to airports. Good idea but then the Heathrow trains would get held up by the Uxbridge trains .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 8:33:02 GMT
My opinion is the trains that go to Uxbridge can stop there. But the Heathrow bound trains will not stop because of people going to airports. With your proposals, the Uxbridge trains could stop on the District Line "Local" Platforms and the Heathrow trains remain on the centre "fast" tracks. That would have to mean running on the District tracks and this could potentially hold up District line trains. Although the service seems to be every 10 minutes, probably a train can go between District Line trains, so it may go: Dist, Picc, Dist, Picc, etc.
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Post by 52000 on Aug 28, 2013 9:02:02 GMT
How often are the Uxbridge trains? At Ruislip I saw a poster which said the trains were half-hourly and to take the first Met Line to Rayners Lane.
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Post by l1group on Aug 28, 2013 9:14:20 GMT
My opinion is the trains that go to Uxbridge can stop there. But the Heathrow bound trains will not stop because of people going to airports. With your proposals, the Uxbridge trains could stop on the District Line "Local" Platforms and the Heathrow trains remain on the centre "fast" tracks. That would have to mean running on the District tracks and this could potentially hold up District line trains. Although the service seems to be every 10 minutes, probably a train can go between District Line trains, so it may go: Dist, Picc, Dist, Picc, etc.It definitely won't hold up the District line after Turnham Green via Chiswick Park because the Ealing Broadway branch isn't exactly the most frequent of branches. It is usually cut to every 20 (or more) mins during ANY engineering works on ANY of the branches of the District Line usually (unless that itself is closed). And is normally the first branch for a train to be "taken" from to help Wimbledon, usually... (more 20min waits...) @kizuki - the services as far as I know could work like that definitely past Turnham Green, but could be a problem slotting it between the Ealings and Richmonds (which are just as frequent). Good idea (along with @freebbc) though, but timetabling may be an issue? (unsure about that) @harlesden - South Kensington-Earl's Court are places which do not have easy interchange to/from District/Picc. Barons Court/Hammersmith are... Also, as a local, I even use the Piccadilly line early morning service and arrive extra early just so I don't have to rely on an unpredictable Ealing Broadway branch service on the District. There is one lucky thing for me - choice. That's why I use South West Trains to get to school - because it is reliable (compared to the unknown waiting time westbound at Chiswick Park. Could be 15-20mins. Then they say it's a "good service".). KXSP afaik is the worst place to turn around a train even at the best of times, neither is Acton Town during peaks. That's why we have Arnos Grove. Yes, there is a stabling point east of Acton Town for two trains (at least), but people interchanging to an already tad busy Heathrow train would do some harm. Then again, there is the Northfields terminators... My personal view as a local? Sort out the District line. If not, then at least make the Piccadilly line stop at Turnham Green for a bit longer during the service day (definitely not peaks, possibly before 0645hrs and after 2000hrs weekdays/Sat, all day Sunday). People in the local area have been crying out desperately for at least a bit more stopping at Turnham Green from the Piccadilly line trains we just see pass every day (which is very annoying, I must say!). It is also very annoying that sometimes, people do have to travel backwards (in direction) to Hammersmith to move forwards (and vice versa)! Another note: I know definitely (from another forum) that the Piccadilly line will use the "relief" lines (the slow lines) during the Christmas/New Year period due to engineering works at Earl's Court. And will stop at every station. Including Chiswick Park (let alone Turnham Green!)
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Post by l1group on Aug 28, 2013 9:22:12 GMT
8. Would you like the Piccadilly line to stop at Turnham Green for more of the day than it currently does if it meant: a reduction in service elsewhere on the line; longer journey times for customers passing through Turnham Green station; and a less reliable service for all passengers on the line? Just a note - that is a leading question as far as I'd known, which does make me think a bit that TfL do want to remove the Turnham Green stop totally.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2013 10:05:32 GMT
How often are the Uxbridge trains? At Ruislip I saw a poster which said the trains were half-hourly and to take the first Met Line to Rayners Lane. I know that early morning journeys don't run between Uxbridge & Rayners Lane but I think it's every 15 minutes to Uxbridge from around 9am onwards.
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 28, 2013 10:38:19 GMT
8. Would you like the Piccadilly line to stop at Turnham Green for more of the day than it currently does if it meant: a reduction in service elsewhere on the line; longer journey times for customers passing through Turnham Green station; and a less reliable service for all passengers on the line? Just a note - that is a leading question as far as I'd known, which does make me think a bit that TfL do want to remove the Turnham Green stop totally. It never stopped at Turnham Green 'til 1963. I think it might have been brought in due to a) large developments in the area and b) the District Line no longer running thru' to Hounslow West.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 28, 2013 15:13:09 GMT
If you need to get to Richmond and are on a Piccadilly Line train, a stop at Turnham Green will save the aggro of 1)Travelling onto Hammersmith from Acton Town, then having to get a District back 2) waiting at Acton Town for the District to Turnham Green, before having to dash to Westbound platform Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards
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Post by Tangy on Aug 28, 2013 20:47:58 GMT
Trains along the Rayners Lane branch currently are every 10 minutes off peak (every other one continuing to UXB. In the peaks there are extras that run to Ruislip to addition to the above.
Chiswick Park is on my list of hated stations, as never get a good connection here on a Tube Challenge) when running from Gunnersbury. Though, interesting that if you walk up the road to Chiswick Park (from the High Road) you go over a small hump bridge, well under it is the Richmond branch diving down to join the NLL formation, literally directly outside the station entrance! If only there was a low level...
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Post by l1group on Aug 28, 2013 23:01:09 GMT
Trains along the Rayners Lane branch currently are every 10 minutes off peak (every other one continuing to UXB. In the peaks there are extras that run to Ruislip to addition to the above. Chiswick Park is on my list of hated stations, as never get a good connection here on a Tube Challenge) when running from Gunnersbury. Though, interesting that if you walk up the road to Chiswick Park (from the High Road) you go over a small hump bridge, well under it is the Richmond branch diving down to join the NLL formation, literally directly outside the station entrance! If only there was a low level... I'd wish that too, not just for Tube Challenge, but for local connections in any case! And it's my local LU station! (Chiswick NR and Chiswick Park LU are equidistant from each other for me) Chiswick Park could technically be a massive interchange with Piccadilly line platforms (grr H&C rules) and LO platforms, as well as the Richmond branch Chiswick Park "Low Level", but that'd be fantasy as far as I'd know to be honest!
Chiswick, is well served by bus (but might need/want a 94 short extension to Turnham Green Church), but messily served by tube/train. Chiswick (area) has three tube stations (Chiswick Park, Gunnersbury, Turnham Green (,Stamford Brook?), two NR stations (Gunnersbury, Chiswick) but they are poorly interlinked, and Piccadilly stopping more at Turnham Green would help at least one of the problems of double running Turnham Green-Hammersmith just to get a better District service just to get home! (which is what I sometimes have to do!).
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Post by vjaska on Aug 29, 2013 0:54:06 GMT
Trains along the Rayners Lane branch currently are every 10 minutes off peak (every other one continuing to UXB. In the peaks there are extras that run to Ruislip to addition to the above. Chiswick Park is on my list of hated stations, as never get a good connection here on a Tube Challenge) when running from Gunnersbury. Though, interesting that if you walk up the road to Chiswick Park (from the High Road) you go over a small hump bridge, well under it is the Richmond branch diving down to join the NLL formation, literally directly outside the station entrance! If only there was a low level... I'd wish that too, not just for Tube Challenge, but for local connections in any case! And it's my local LU station! (Chiswick NR and Chiswick Park LU are equidistant from each other for me) Chiswick Park could technically be a massive interchange with Piccadilly line platforms (grr H&C rules) and LO platforms, as well as the Richmond branch Chiswick Park "Low Level", but that'd be fantasy as far as I'd know to be honest!
Chiswick, is well served by bus (but might need/want a 94 short extension to Turnham Green Church), but messily served by tube/train. Chiswick (area) has three tube stations (Chiswick Park, Gunnersbury, Turnham Green (,Stamford Brook?), two NR stations (Gunnersbury, Chiswick) but they are poorly interlinked, and Piccadilly stopping more at Turnham Green would help at least one of the problems of double running Turnham Green-Hammersmith just to get a better District service just to get home! (which is what I sometimes have to do!).
To be fair, you should count yourself lucky you have tube stations in your area - large swathes of South East, South & South West London have no tube stations at all. Buses are heavily relied in these areas as well as the areas served by Tramlink.
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Post by l1group on Aug 29, 2013 19:30:27 GMT
I'd wish that too, not just for Tube Challenge, but for local connections in any case! And it's my local LU station! (Chiswick NR and Chiswick Park LU are equidistant from each other for me) Chiswick Park could technically be a massive interchange with Piccadilly line platforms (grr H&C rules) and LO platforms, as well as the Richmond branch Chiswick Park "Low Level", but that'd be fantasy as far as I'd know to be honest!
Chiswick, is well served by bus (but might need/want a 94 short extension to Turnham Green Church), but messily served by tube/train. Chiswick (area) has three tube stations (Chiswick Park, Gunnersbury, Turnham Green (,Stamford Brook?), two NR stations (Gunnersbury, Chiswick) but they are poorly interlinked, and Piccadilly stopping more at Turnham Green would help at least one of the problems of double running Turnham Green-Hammersmith just to get a better District service just to get home! (which is what I sometimes have to do!).
To be fair, you should count yourself lucky you have tube stations in your area - large swathes of South East, South & South West London have no tube stations at all. Buses are heavily relied in these areas as well as the areas served by Tramlink. Fair enough (Bromley and Fares Fair, remember that?) Then again, there IS National Rail, which IS radial, yet is heavily relied on. Chiswick is well placed, but oddly linked if I'm honest.
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