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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 20:31:21 GMT
Example of permitted entry
232 Hounslow-Southall-Yeading
232 Turnpike Lane Stn-Wood Green-Brent Cross
(Two totally different routes)
Example of non-permitted entry
232 Hounslow-Norwood Green-Southall-Yeading (1968-74)
232 Hounslow-Convent Way Estate-Southall-Yeading (1979-93 renumbered withdrawn 232A)
The two variations of Route 73 (involving a simple diversion) are considered to be the same route
Stoke Newington-King's Cross-Hyde Park Corner-Hammersmith (1949-88)
Stoke Newington-King's Cross-Hyde Park Corner-Victoria (1988- )
How can I find an answer to my question?
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 26, 2013 20:52:02 GMT
I will do a bit of research, but 26, as said above by MrEdd, must be a potential candidate. 82 is another that comes to my mind, and there have been at least three different 269s.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 26, 2013 21:12:19 GMT
Example of permitted entry 232 Hounslow-Southall-Yeading 232 Turnpike Lane Stn-Wood Green-Brent Cross (Two totally different routes) Example of non-permitted entry 232 Hounslow-Norwood Green-Southall-Yeading (1968-74) 232 Hounslow-Convent Way Estate-Southall-Yeading (1979-93 renumbered withdrawn 232A) The two variations of Route 73 (involving a simple diversion) are considered to be the same route Stoke Newington-King's Cross-Hyde Park Corner-Hammersmith (1949-88) Stoke Newington-King's Cross-Hyde Park Corner-Victoria (1988- ) How can I find an answer to my question? Just look at the londonbuses.co.uk website. There is an entry for each variant of each route number. 156 and 198 look like they've had a few different versions. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 26, 2013 22:26:44 GMT
There's been three different 2's
2: Walthamstow Central - Southend
2: Marylebone - West Norwood
2 (now 322) - Victoria - Rosendale Road
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 26, 2013 22:42:03 GMT
one from the West Side where I grew up  274 (1980's) Ealing Broadway - Hayes 274 (present) Lancaster Gate - Islington Angel OP, londonbusesbyadam.zenfolio.com/f176729295 has all the info on routes past & present - most of us posting here have taken the data from there anywayz   |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 26, 2013 22:43:37 GMT
There's been three different 2's 2: Walthamstow Central - Southend 2: Marylebone - West Norwood 2 (now 322) - Victoria - Rosendale Road That's cheating the first 2 was an Eastern National service and nothing to do with London Transport although Jammy did not define the criteria to just include LT (red) services. |
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Post by guybowden on Sept 27, 2013 5:37:17 GMT
The 208 use to run in east London, going through Bromley By Bow, not sure of its destinations and now a days it runs between Lewisham Station and Orpington.
Some of the 4** and 3** routes now a days could have been London Country/ London Transport Country area routes back in the day. If my memory serves me correctly 4** routes were south of the river and 3** north of the river. 7** being Greenline services and 6** being trolleybus routes, but they are school routes now and I very much doubt if any of them go close to their old trolleybus routings.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 27, 2013 12:41:37 GMT
In the 70s the 95 used to be more or less what the 333 is now, except that I believe it ran up to Borough station then over Southwark Bridge to Cannon Street, it's now runs somewhere in the Shepherd's Bush area.
The 181 I believe used to be from Stockwell to Tooting Broadway, then via 57 to Streatham. That route I believe is now in the Catford area.
I remember the 115 running along Streatham Road, Mitcham, but in the 90s
(Possibly from the late 80s) it ran differently, somewhat parallel to the G1, but serving Balham along the way.
The 115 is now somewhere in East London.
The 70 (or 70A) used to be more or less what the 381 is now, the 70 now starting from south Kensington towards Action.
The 239 was introduced in the Clapham Junction area from 1989, now gone from there.
The majority of the 163 used to be the M1, so presumably the 163 was used elsewhere prior. Similar situation with the 156, which used to be a suffix variant of the 77.
I remember the 127 being introduced around 1982, shortly after the 200 was experimentally extended to Wallington.
I don't remember the 255 in the Streatham/North Mitcham areas during the 70s and 80s, presumably that was used elsewhere.
The present 60 was introduced around 1982, so presumably that was used elsewhere.
The present 264 never existed in the 70s, the route being 64 from Tooting Broadway to the Addington area (possibly new Addington).
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2013 14:51:47 GMT
In the 70s the 95 used to be more or less what the 333 is now, except that I believe it ran up to Borough station then over Southwark Bridge to Cannon Street, it's now runs somewhere in the Shepherd's Bush area. The 181 I believe used to be from Stockwell to Tooting Broadway, then via 57 to Streatham. That route I believe is now in the Catford area. I remember the 115 running along Streatham Road, Mitcham, but in the 90s (Possibly from the late 80s) it ran differently, somewhat parallel to the G1, but serving Balham along the way. The 115 is now somewhere in East London. The 70 (or 70A) used to be more or less what the 381 is now, the 70 now starting from south Kensington towards Action. The 239 was introduced in the Clapham Junction area from 1989, now gone from there. The majority of the 163 used to be the M1, so presumably the 163 was used elsewhere prior. Similar situation with the 156, which used to be a suffix variant of the 77. I remember the 127 being introduced around 1982, shortly after the 200 was experimentally extended to Wallington. I don't remember the 255 in the Streatham/North Mitcham areas during the 70s and 80s, presumably that was used elsewhere. The present 60 was introduced around 1982, so presumably that was used elsewhere. The present 264 never existed in the 70s, the route being 64 from Tooting Broadway to the Addington area (possibly new Addington). The 95 terminated at Mansion House in 1990, a few years before it was replaced. There was a 255 which ran from 1988 to 1996. It started off running from West Croydon to Roundshaw via Beddington ASDA but became a West Croydon to West Croydon circular via Beddington. Incidentally, there have been 6 255's. The 64 was extended from Addington to New Addington in 1987 and withdrawn between Tooting & West Croydon and diverted to terminate at Thornton Heath Pond. Between 1988 & 1990, the 64 was extended during Saturday shopping hours to Thornton Heath High Street. |
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Post by paulsw2 on Sept 27, 2013 17:50:21 GMT
In the 70s the 95 used to be more or less what the 333 is now, except that I believe it ran up to Borough station then over Southwark Bridge to Cannon Street, it's now runs somewhere in the Shepherd's Bush area. The 181 I believe used to be from Stockwell to Tooting Broadway, then via 57 to Streatham. That route I believe is now in the Catford area. I remember the 115 running along Streatham Road, Mitcham, but in the 90s (Possibly from the late 80s) it ran differently, somewhat parallel to the G1, but serving Balham along the way. The 115 is now somewhere in East London. The 70 (or 70A) used to be more or less what the 381 is now, the 70 now starting from south Kensington towards Action. The 239 was introduced in the Clapham Junction area from 1989, now gone from there. The majority of the 163 used to be the M1, so presumably the 163 was used elsewhere prior. Similar situation with the 156, which used to be a suffix variant of the 77. I remember the 127 being introduced around 1982, shortly after the 200 was experimentally extended to Wallington. I don't remember the 255 in the Streatham/North Mitcham areas during the 70s and 80s, presumably that was used elsewhere. The present 60 was introduced around 1982, so presumably that was used elsewhere. The present 264 never existed in the 70s, the route being 64 from Tooting Broadway to the Addington area (possibly new Addington). The 95 terminated at Mansion House in 1990, a few years before it was replaced. There was a 255 which ran from 1988 to 1996. It started off running from West Croydon to Roundshaw via Beddington ASDA but became a West Croydon to West Croydon circular via Beddington. Incidentally, there have been 6 255's. The 64 was extended from Addington to New Addington in 1987 and withdrawn between Tooting & West Croydon and diverted to terminate at Thornton Heath Pond. Between 1988 & 1990, the 64 was extended during Saturday shopping hours to Thornton Heath High Street. The 163 was originally a tram replacement between Plumstead Common and Victoria Embankment on M-F it was extended to Parliament Hill Fields the route was withdrawn in 1970 There was a raft of changes when the original 115 route was withdrawn affecting 127 200 234A 289 in early 80's |
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Post by l1group on Sept 30, 2013 17:12:24 GMT
The "5"?
It was used thrice:
Clapham Common-Raynes Park (until 1951)
Shepherd's Bush-Ladbroke Grove (until 1954)
Romford Market-Canning Town (current)
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Post by cc2005 on Oct 8, 2013 13:22:58 GMT
2 more (more recent):
The 87 - now used on Aldwych to Wandsworth. Used to be an East London route.
The 395 - now Harrow to Westway. Used to be Rotherhithe Tunnel bus.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Oct 8, 2013 14:06:33 GMT
270 used to be Richmond-Hampton (now R70, renumbered in 1990)
Current 270 now Putney Bridge-Mitcham (replacing the southern part of 220)
211 used to be the southern section of 111, withdrawn around 1978-ish?
Current 211 now runs between Waterloo and Hammersmith
98 used to run Hounslow-Hayes (renumbered H98)
Current 98 now is Holborn-Willesden
VERY old route 111 (1920s/1930s) used to run Muswell Hill-Finsbury Park, renumbered 212 (now St James Street-Chingford) and is now numbered W7
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Post by M1104 on Oct 8, 2013 14:37:31 GMT
270 used to be Richmond-Hampton (now R70, renumbered in 1990) Current 270 now Putney Bridge-Mitcham (replacing the southern part of 220) Also replaced the 44 between Tooting Station and Mitcham Cricketers |
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 8, 2013 17:14:54 GMT
270 used to be Richmond-Hampton (now R70, renumbered in 1990) Current 270 now Putney Bridge-Mitcham (replacing the southern part of 220) Also replaced the 44 between Tooting Station and Mitcham Cricketers I can think of a few, 104,163,181 & 184 |
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