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Post by Mokujin on Dec 29, 2013 14:24:29 GMT
The timetables are very interesting reading - Mr. Munster really does a brilliant job! Just a quick question though, would these NYE timetables be an accurate reflection if a daytime route got made into a 24 hour route (for example would the timetable be a fair representation of say, an all night 51 or 422, or what-have-you?) - definitely very interesting stuff. With the N1 thing - that route is absolutely horrible! I live in Plumstead and the N1 goes to the top of my road - but I will always get a 53 and walk the last bit from the station. It is horribly busy from Central London, and while a lot do alight in the Surrey Quays area a fair few do continue along the rest of it. It's not just the busy-ness of it, the route takes forever and round Surrey Quays and Bermondsey seems to take an age....... I agree, the N1 is mostly busy on weekends but on weekdays, it is not that busy. But they whizz around Pepys Estate really quickly for example if you check for an N1 on LVF going towards TCR and it states currently at "Deptford Park School" bus stop before you know it, it's already at Surrey Quays. They don't take or drop off much passengers at Pepys Estate, sometimes they don't take at all.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 31, 2013 18:28:53 GMT
iBus on the 185 is displaying that the route will be operating overnight.
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Post by lonmark on Dec 31, 2013 18:32:54 GMT
Same as route 208. I guess all new year eve one night only routes have a message to tell them about it.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 31, 2013 18:49:47 GMT
Mr Munster has filled in the last few NYE night timetable gaps with a few Arriva and Go Ahead routes now having timetable pdfs available - 123, 164, 163, 73, 412, 319. Shame the weather is forecast to be utterly dire overnight. I was considering going out to get some snaps but not in the pouring rain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 18:56:47 GMT
Route H37 is displaying on the iBus screen that it will be running all night.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Dec 31, 2013 22:57:10 GMT
Route H37 is displaying on the iBus screen that it will be running all night. So was 216, I think that it or another route to Staines (or 117/203/290- prehaps project night service to Richmond) should be 24 hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 12:26:10 GMT
I can only comment on what i saw , but i used 3 all night day routes that otherwise don't have a 24 hr service , 358 , 269 & 96
The 358 was packed. The N3 buses were pretty much running very late so this boosted the numbers , but even Orpington, Bromley Common , Elmers End , people were using it. Standing room only between Beckenham and C.Palace !
The 269 was busy for the first half of the night , dropped off a bit after 3.30 but still people using it in Bexley,Sidcup,Bromley with ot mainly dropping people off in between.
The 96's were very busy , good loads out of Woolwich and lots of people using it between Bexley and Dartford. Even Bluewater , the early am buses had a handful of early am workers heading in.
I also noted that LU had used SP's on the 116 , so perhaps that was well used ,and a night 111 had a turn to Cranford !
I hope that TfL one day realise that its not just NYE , but some parts of London are pretty much 24/7 societies now and they need a bus service to match it
Happy new year !
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Post by COBO on Jan 1, 2014 14:20:43 GMT
- I think that night bus N140 should be created running from Heathrow Central to Edgware via routes 140 and 340.
- I also think that routes 92, 120, 183, 222, E1, E7, H12 and U3 should run 24 hours
- I think a N114 should be created running from Mill Hill Broadway to Uxbridge via routes 114 and U1.
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 1, 2014 14:35:10 GMT
- I think that night bus N140 should be created running from Heathrow Central to Edgware via routes 140 and 340.
- I also think that routes 92, 120, 183, 222, E1, E7, H12 and U3 should run 24 hours
- I think a N114 should be created running from Mill Hill Broadway to Uxbridge via routes 114 and U1.
If we were to look at it from a demand point of view then I don't see the point in the 120 becoming 24 hour, buses are almost empty from around 21:30 until last bus (every 15 minutes). Even every 30 minutes would be far too generous. But then again the 474 is certainly much less used and has a night service, so I'm not sure how this works, and parts along the line of the 120 are over 15 minutes away from the nearest night bus
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Post by COBO on Jan 1, 2014 14:46:48 GMT
- I think that night bus N140 should be created running from Heathrow Central to Edgware via routes 140 and 340.
- I also think that routes 92, 120, 183, 222, E1, E7, H12 and U3 should run 24 hours
- I think a N114 should be created running from Mill Hill Broadway to Uxbridge via routes 114 and U1.
If we were to look at it from a demand point of view then I don't see the point in the 120 becoming 24 hour, buses are almost empty from around 21:30 until last bus (every 15 minutes). Even every 30 minutes would be far too generous. But then again the 474 is certainly much less used and has a night service, so I'm not sure how this works, and parts along the line of the 120 are over 15 minutes away from the nearest night bus But if the 120 was 24 hours then places like Norwood Green and Lady Margaret Road would get a night service.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 22:19:08 GMT
Route H37 is displaying on the iBus screen that it will be running all night. So was 216, I think that it or another route to Staines (or 117/203/290- prehaps project night service to Richmond) should be 24 hours. I would agree with you. I reckon the 117 and 290 would be the best to run 24 hours but all routes serve important areas so each route would be justified.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jan 1, 2014 23:18:25 GMT
I can only comment on what i saw , but i used 3 all night day routes that otherwise don't have a 24 hr service , 358 , 269 & 96 The 358 was packed. The N3 buses were pretty much running very late so this boosted the numbers , but even Orpington, Bromley Common , Elmers End , people were using it. Standing room only between Beckenham and C.Palace ! The 269 was busy for the first half of the night , dropped off a bit after 3.30 but still people using it in Bexley,Sidcup,Bromley with ot mainly dropping people off in between. The 96's were very busy , good loads out of Woolwich and lots of people using it between Bexley and Dartford. Even Bluewater , the early am buses had a handful of early am workers heading in. I also noted that LU had used SP's on the 116 , so perhaps that was well used ,and a night 111 had a turn to Cranford ! I hope that TfL one day realise that its not just NYE , but some parts of London are pretty much 24/7 societies now and they need a bus service to match it Happy new year ! Indeed, London has only just caught up to some major cites such as New York and Chicago who have a 24 hour 'tube' service on some lines. In my view, no-one in Grater London should be no more than 15 minutes walk from a night service of some sort (be it Bus, Tube or DLR) Happy #yearofthebus by the way!
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Post by M1199 on Jan 1, 2014 23:25:20 GMT
This may sound like a daft question, but how do TfL record passenger loadings on the routes that operate 24hrs on New Years Eve only, to see whether its worthwhile operating the route the following NYE? As NYE travel is free, there is no need to swipe your Oyster or pay cash, so do TfL rely on word of mouth from the drivers or do the drivers punch in on the wayfarer everytime a passenger boards? (Everytime I've used a bus on NYE, I've always been too tanked up to notice what they do!)
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Post by snoggle on Jan 2, 2014 0:11:09 GMT
This may sound like a daft question, but how do TfL record passenger loadings on the routes that operate 24hrs on New Years Eve only, to see whether its worthwhile operating the route the following NYE? As NYE travel is free, there is no need to swipe your Oyster or pay cash, so do TfL rely on word of mouth from the drivers or do the drivers punch in on the wayfarer everytime a passenger boards? (Everytime I've used a bus on NYE, I've always been too tanked up to notice what they do!) Complete guess on my part but I expect there are a decent number of Network Services staff around the system who will monitor what is going on. As the routes are scheduled then I-Bus will give stats on the extent of "on time" running and any wide divergence would, I am sure, trigger questions being asked about the cause of the delay. I also expect the operators will actively seek feedback from drivers as to how their duties went and what issues they had (if any). Operators will want to know so they can deal with any performance issues and justify their payments for the night. If NYE buses run late because they're over subscribed then that is hardly the operator's fault is it? Another guess but I expect Centrecomm will be informed if there are localised problems such as delays, fights or even heavy loadings meaning people are being left behind. I've certainly had feedback from a friend as to how NYE services loaded on previous NYEs when he was out and about on NYE, on TfL work, observing how things were going. Happy to be corrected by those who *do* know what happens.
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Post by M1199 on Jan 2, 2014 8:58:22 GMT
This may sound like a daft question, but how do TfL record passenger loadings on the routes that operate 24hrs on New Years Eve only, to see whether its worthwhile operating the route the following NYE? As NYE travel is free, there is no need to swipe your Oyster or pay cash, so do TfL rely on word of mouth from the drivers or do the drivers punch in on the wayfarer everytime a passenger boards? (Everytime I've used a bus on NYE, I've always been too tanked up to notice what they do!) Complete guess on my part but I expect there are a decent number of Network Services staff around the system who will monitor what is going on. As the routes are scheduled then I-Bus will give stats on the extent of "on time" running and any wide divergence would, I am sure, trigger questions being asked about the cause of the delay. I also expect the operators will actively seek feedback from drivers as to how their duties went and what issues they had (if any). Operators will want to know so they can deal with any performance issues and justify their payments for the night. If NYE buses run late because they're over subscribed then that is hardly the operator's fault is it? Another guess but I expect Centrecomm will be informed if there are localised problems such as delays, fights or even heavy loadings meaning people are being left behind. I've certainly had feedback from a friend as to how NYE services loaded on previous NYEs when he was out and about on NYE, on TfL work, observing how things were going. Happy to be corrected by those who *do* know what happens. Cheers for that Snoggle, I had completely forgotten about how you could monitor certain aspects through I-Bus!
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