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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 20:24:14 GMT
I would rationalise routes in north Romford as follows
252 extended to Havering Park via the 294 294 withdrawn between Romford and Havering Park 103 and 175 merged north of Romford operating to Hillrise Estate via Pettitis Lane (might even go as far as axing the 175 completely) 499 diverted via Collier Row and North Street to restore the local link. 294 and 365 remain unchanged.
Some of the individual routes that remain may require small frequency increases but overall significant resource saving should be able to be achieved.
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 3, 2014 20:45:54 GMT
What about the large number of employees to/from Heathrow and Southall who use the route? Possibly reduce frequencies at certain times of the day, but leave it at that. Maybe or axe the 482 and bring back the 435. I think the 435 routing between Southall (Brent Road) and Hatton Cross was less useful than the one the 482 currently uses, most of the section via Southall Lane, Cranford and Northern Perimeter Road isn't very residential whereas Convent Way, North Hyde Lane and Vicarage Farm Road are much more populated. If something had to be done then the 482 could be downgraded to single deck I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 21:06:31 GMT
452 withdrawn
481 withdrawn
485 withdrawn
Extend garage trips on 65,71 & 131 in service from Kingston to Fulwell via 481.
Extend 360 to Ladbroke Grove Sainsburys.
Extend 295 to Kensal Rise Station.
Reduce Sunday service on 492 to hourly
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Post by COBO on Jan 3, 2014 21:23:20 GMT
Maybe or axe the 482 and bring back the 435. I think the 435 routing between Southall (Brent Road) and Hatton Cross was less useful than the one the 482 currently uses, most of the section via Southall Lane, Cranford and Northern Perimeter Road isn't very residential whereas Convent Way, North Hyde Lane and Vicarage Farm Road are much more populated. If something had to be done then the 482 could be downgraded to single deck I think. You have a point but the reason why I suggest bring back 435 and that is to relief the busy 105. Divert the 435 between Heathrow Terminal 5 and Harlington Corner via Bath Road, Northern Perimeter Road and Western Permimeter Road.
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Post by bengady3 on Jan 3, 2014 21:47:42 GMT
Scrap the route K5 unless the link between Kingston and Morden is quicker.
For me 265 sounds like a route that can be busy but extend it slightly not far from Putney Bridge so there could be more used I know it may be pretty long
Extend the route 71 to somewhere like Twickenham
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Post by bengady3 on Jan 3, 2014 21:52:02 GMT
452 withdrawn 481 withdrawn 485 withdrawn Extend garage trips on 65,71 & 131 in service from Kingston to Fulwell via 481. Extend 360 to Ladbroke Grove Sainsburys. Extend 295 to Kensal Rise Station. Reduce Sunday service on 492 to hourly I agree we do it on the route 71 the most. But I don't agree on extending route 65 there
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Post by bengady3 on Jan 3, 2014 22:20:07 GMT
I'd scrap the 138, 178, 199, 231, 296, 312, 330, 332, 396, B11, T32, T33. Ok the 178 always full and it has an useful link as its serves Lewisham, Kidbrooke and QE Hospital. The B11 lone serves Alsike Road and Lodge Hill and is always full. 199 lone seves Pepys Estate you would need to stick a route through there Route 178 could be extended instead of withdrawning it but I don't think its long
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Post by Swadbus on Jan 3, 2014 22:33:53 GMT
Best way to save money would be to axe the many members of TfL earning obscene amounts of money Interesting route - where does that go?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 22:41:52 GMT
I would also cut at least one of the 140 and 182 back to Harrow, both if I'm feeling mean.
Actually the first thing I would axe is free travel for the under-18s. Nothing wrong with half-fares and you'd also be able to bring adult fares down a little.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 4, 2014 0:03:26 GMT
Ok the 178 always full and it has an useful link as its serves Lewisham, Kidbrooke and QE Hospital. The B11 lone serves Alsike Road and Lodge Hill and is always full. 199 lone seves Pepys Estate you would need to stick a route through there Route 178 could be extended instead of withdrawning it but I don't think its long Extend it to Thamesmead via the 244 & 380 as this section does suffer overcrowding during busy periods.
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Post by Trident on Jan 4, 2014 0:26:50 GMT
We spend a lot of time coming with ideas to improve bus routes on the forum. However a New Year means we can't keep raiding the piggy bank and have to, instead, sharpen the axe and start cutting services to save money. Therefore your ideas for saving money are requested. Please nominate :- One route you'd scrap altogether without replacement. Route 415 is taken as read so can't be nominated. One route where you'd reduce early morning and evening services. Please say how much you'd reduce services by. You can, if you wish, scrap service at these times completely. One route where you'd reduce peak hour services. Please say how much you'd reduce services by. One route where you'd scrap a section of route. Please say which section you'd scrap. One route where you'd scrap Sunday services. Clearly passengers may be inconvenienced by your proposals but we don't care. We must save money!! I'd scrap the 138, 178, 199, 231, 296, 312, 330, 332, 396, B11, T32, T33. You mention the 296, very interesting. Yes it spends much of the route following the 66...BUT remember it's purpose is to serve residents along Rose Lane and Billet Road. It would be inconvinient for them to make they way over to the A12 to catch the 66 towards Romford. This (From their perspective) would also take away a service towards Ilford. I've often seen the 296 used up to and from Newbury Park during busy periods aswell.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 4, 2014 1:26:00 GMT
One route in my area, the 357, whenever I see it on Sundays it just follows the more frequent 97 and thus has hardly anyone on it! Also what is point of the Hospital extension on Sundays when buses have a stupid 28 minute stand time?!? That's because of the ludicrous mess that TfL allows to persist on the Chingford Road corridor. The x12 headway on the 97 is not easy to mesh with the 215 and 357 both running x30 but the situation these days with two different operators is worse than it was when Capital Citybus / First ran all three and had properly balanced the headways in both directions between the Mount and Walthamstow Central. It is not unusual to see buses running south from the Billet in bunches of 4 on a Sunday - 34, 97, 215 and 357 and then gaps behind. Daft. I often see a 357 at around 1020 on a Sunday morning heading into Walthamstow and that's usually full and standing. I agree, though, that other departures on a Sunday can load lightly.
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 4, 2014 2:16:26 GMT
I think the 435 routing between Southall (Brent Road) and Hatton Cross was less useful than the one the 482 currently uses, most of the section via Southall Lane, Cranford and Northern Perimeter Road isn't very residential whereas Convent Way, North Hyde Lane and Vicarage Farm Road are much more populated. If something had to be done then the 482 could be downgraded to single deck I think. You have a point but the reason why I suggest bring back 435 and that is to relief the busy 105. Divert the 435 between Heathrow Terminal 5 and Harlington Corner via Bath Road, Northern Perimeter Road and Western Permimeter Road. As far as I'm aware the highest loadings on that section of the 105 comes from Heathrow Central, so the 435 wouldn't be any use. Although after having a think I'd say you could get away with removing the 482 without replacement like you mentioned first Route 104 to be curtailed to East Ham, Ron Leighton Way - putting the unused stand there to good use
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 2:59:24 GMT
I would also cut at least one of the 140 and 182 back to Harrow, both if I'm feeling mean. Actually the first thing I would axe is free travel for the under-18s. Nothing wrong with half-fares and you'd also be able to bring adult fares down a little. Very silly thing to do would be to shorten both routes to Harrow Bus Station. Both routes are well used all the way up to Harrow Weald and the infrequent Nd non reliable 258 and 340 can not make up for these losses if they were to materialise. Also the 182 serves western side of Uxbridge Road in the Harow Weald area ans axing it from there would mean a 15 minute walk at least to the nearest bus stop, needless to say most of the residents in that area are elderly, so it's at least a 25 minute walk for them.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 4, 2014 4:16:32 GMT
Now to do one for routes outside of my own local area One route you'd scrap altogether without replacement. Route 415 is taken as read so can't be nominated. Very controversial but I'd scrap the 411 and extend the 85 to replace it. For me, it's quite hard to think of a useless route to scrap other than the 415 or T32. One route where you'd reduce early morning and evening services. Please say how much you'd reduce services by. You can, if you wish, scrap service at these times completely.Can't answer this one TBH. One route where you'd reduce peak hour services. Please say how much you'd reduce services by.The 38 - has enough buses to cope for a reduction, probably reduce it to a standardised 6 minutes. I'd probably also target a number of other more busy routes around Central London for PVR reductions. One route where you'd scrap a section of route. Please say which section you'd scrap.The 137 between Oxford Circus & Marble Arch would be one candidate, the 468 between South Croydon & Croydon would be another. Another candidate would be the 472's loop around Thamesmead (reduce it to direct via Bentham Road) One route where you'd scrap Sunday services.Again, can't answer this one TBH.
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