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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 23:52:20 GMT
Hi All
Yet again this year, hardly any buses have heating (new buses) have no heating working at all, or is it just the bus types in West London, i.e SP, E400, E200?
Regards
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Post by VPL630 on Jan 17, 2014 0:13:51 GMT
Hi All Yet again this year, hardly any buses have heating (new buses) have no heating working at all, or is it just the bus types in West London, i.e SP, E400, E200? Regards Heating is turned off for the summer months and then never really seems to get turned back on, E400's have a sensor controlled system like most other buses but the sensor can mess up and end up blowing out the coldest possible air for the passengers and the driver can't do a thing about, Most E200's have been warm to me but then again the cab heaters in E200's seem to do a decent job of heating the whole bus up
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 17, 2014 1:31:37 GMT
Hi All Yet again this year, hardly any buses have heating (new buses) have no heating working at all, or is it just the bus types in West London, i.e SP, E400, E200? Regards I really wanted to post about the same thing, apart from once or twice back in October I haven't come across any E400 out of Hounslow that has heating on, unlike last year where it was only right at the end of winter that a couple had heating not working (ADE26 is/was stuck with full air cooling on)! With the SP's it seems to be normal to not have the heating on, although if you sit right next to the engine it is hard to tell the difference . With the E200 I think you have to be lucky to find heating working, unless it is a fairly new one. Stagecoach out of BK and WH haven't been that good either, had very few rides on ALX400's where heating was on, as is the case with the E400's for the 101 and the whole BK E200 batch. Still, it fares better than Gemini 2's where I haven't found any with heating on either this winter or last winter . Having cold air blowing out of vents is worse than having nothing, something that the Gemini 2 excels at (those under the nearside seats I'm talking about). Having said that, sitting downstairs rear is usually a fairly decent compromise, should have done that today when I was on 19856 for almost the whole of the 101 route
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Post by Nathan on Jan 17, 2014 7:53:41 GMT
I was on the 21 the other day (WVL, Gemini 2) and surprisingly there was heating! This is the first time I've seen heating turned on from this type of bus. The heating came through the vents on the left side of the upper deck. At least I know were to keep warm. Its just too bad they never turn on often enough.
To be fair, the older Gemini 2s (i.e. the LX59 reg) can keep you very warm if you sit by the engine. The latter buses aren't so warm though...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 8:06:11 GMT
Based on the fact that my regular bus is an SP, I have rarely noticed the air conditioning working properly. As far as I'm aware SP6-15 dosent have any (Or at least an upstairs unit) and In the 58-09 Models have never noticed it working. Usually just noise and nothing else.
The two 59 plates and 10plate models (At AV) are a little better. Most of the time it's working with warm air however on several occasions cold air has been blasting so much that it's colder on the upper deck then outside!
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Post by Connor on Jan 17, 2014 8:21:19 GMT
I was on the 21 the other day (WVL, Gemini 2) and surprisingly there was heating! This is the first time I've seen heating turned on from this type of bus. The heating came through the vents on the left side of the upper deck. At least I know were to keep warm. Its just too bad they never turn on often enough. To be fair, the older Gemini 2s (i.e. the LX59 reg) can keep you very warm if you sit by the engine. The latter buses aren't so warm though... I remember travelling on WVL288 last year on the hottest day of the year, it had the heater on at full blast! Currently on DW133 that doesn't have the heater on, it's freezing!
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Post by Ice Prxnce on Jan 17, 2014 8:30:48 GMT
Not all drivers seem to like turning on the heater during the winter, some of them turn it on a few minutes then turn it off Speaking of which, 10130 (on route 199) doesn't have it's heaters on and it's really cold.
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Post by Nathan on Jan 17, 2014 12:37:28 GMT
I was on the 21 the other day (WVL, Gemini 2) and surprisingly there was heating! This is the first time I've seen heating turned on from this type of bus. The heating came through the vents on the left side of the upper deck. At least I know were to keep warm. Its just too bad they never turn on often enough. To be fair, the older Gemini 2s (i.e. the LX59 reg) can keep you very warm if you sit by the engine. The latter buses aren't so warm though... I remember travelling on WVL288 last year on the hottest day of the year, it had the heater on at full blast! Currently on DW133 that doesn't have the heater on, it's freezing! That's quite weird actually, considering those buses have probably the best air con you can find on a bus. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I've never been on a Gemini 1 with heating turned on. It's warmest downstair by the engine, but upstairs is always freezing!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 12:59:00 GMT
If their anything us the public can do about this issue and most bus fleets are now all new buses and this is a big issue, if smaller operators can afford to have working heating, im sure these TFL operators can!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 8:38:53 GMT
The problem with cold buses I that where you have to stop to pick up and drop off passengers with the doors open, cold air blows in and affects the heating. Air com on Geminis on a hot day is sooooooo good.
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 18, 2014 12:30:57 GMT
I remember travelling on WVL288 last year on the hottest day of the year, it had the heater on at full blast! Currently on DW133 that doesn't have the heater on, it's freezing! That's quite weird actually, considering those buses have probably the best air con you can find on a bus. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I've never been on a Gemini 1 with heating turned on. It's warmest downstair by the engine, but upstairs is always freezing! Funny thing is yesterday I found a Gemini 2 with heating on WVL423 of SI was the bus, sure it was set quite low but its a start (upstairs vents are under the nearside seats and downstairs ones are right above the nearside windows). Never been a regular user of the Gemini 1 type, did end up on 9003 yesterday which matched your description. Slightly off topic but DLR units are quite random, mixed in with the ones with working heating are several throwing out cold air from the vents or nothing at all.
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Post by rambo on Jan 18, 2014 23:59:41 GMT
Try driving a bus with no heating! Every year its the same, middle of winter, turn on heating and it does'nt work, or it only works on the screen and the footwell is freezing. Just shows you what bus companies think of thier drivers!
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Post by sw11simon on Jan 21, 2014 19:08:16 GMT
To be honest, I have not felt cold on any bus this year to my memory. Mainly use 295/C3/44 and really have found no issue on these routes. Then again, I do wrap up warm during winter. This discussion sort of reminds of when I was controller, and sometimes I'd be stood outside in freezing weather and some drivers would roll up refusing to drive a bus because it was cold whilst wearing just a short sleeve shirt! Then when it is suggested they popped a coat on, they'd be "can't drive wearing a coat"... Think people like that should look for an office job lol
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Post by vjaska on Jan 21, 2014 19:20:45 GMT
To be honest, I have not felt cold on any bus this year to my memory. Mainly use 295/C3/44 and really have found no issue on these routes. Then again, I do wrap up warm during winter. This discussion sort of reminds of when I was controller, and sometimes I'd be stood outside in freezing weather and some drivers would roll up refusing to drive a bus because it was cold whilst wearing just a short sleeve shirt! Then when it is suggested they popped a coat on, they'd be "can't drive wearing a coat"... Think people like that should look for an office job lol Last time I genuinely felt cold on a bus was on a X reg PVL on the 151 - 2008 that was.
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 21, 2014 19:22:55 GMT
To be honest, I have not felt cold on any bus this year to my memory. Mainly use 295/C3/44 and really have found no issue on these routes. Then again, I do wrap up warm during winter. This discussion sort of reminds of when I was controller, and sometimes I'd be stood outside in freezing weather and some drivers would roll up refusing to drive a bus because it was cold whilst wearing just a short sleeve shirt! Then when it is suggested they popped a coat on, they'd be "can't drive wearing a coat"... Think people like that should look for an office job lol This year it hasn't been that cold generally compared to last year . I know last year the DN's that turned up on the 295 had working heating while the VN's didn't, haven't used the route for around 6 months. Not sure what the ALX400/E400 on the C3 or PVL/E on the 44 are like. I wrap up warm too but often it seems buses are colder than outside, although it isn't often that I found my breath condensing on a bus like it usually does outside . I'm also the first person to go closing windows if necessary. vjaska, now that you mention an X-reg PVL I remember having an absolutely freezing VP on the 120 last year! But on the other hand in summer 2012 I found one with heating on full blast. Gotta love the randomness between old buses that are of a same batch
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