Route W14

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Jul 16, 2014 19:21:06 GMT nad1152597 said:

I couldn't agree with you more Jamaicarussa!! The W14 is a pretty useful route connecting leyton and leytonstone and eastern central line stations and can sometimes be unable to cope with loadings! This is a local route of mine and it could help the W15 better if it was more regular! It would be a route to connect with other bus services in leyton and stratford!

Don't the 339 help between Leytonstone and Stratford? The ones I have seen are always very heavily loaded.

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Jul 14, 2014 19:51:01 GMT nad1152597 said:

Thanks for the info, but the W14 would be useful in providing the link between leytonstone high road/town centre and stratford relieving the 257 but the 339 serves the quicker less busy corridors making it less efficient. This extension will allow the frequency to increase to maybe 11-12 minutes as the 15 minutes is pretty poor.

Although loadings have picked up on the 339 it's not really had any significance to the 257, and to be honest even if this fantasy idea (Which I don't agree with, as we dont need too many Leyton-Stratford links) on the W14 being extended went through, I don't think it would be a magic button to help the 257.

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Although there are many links from Leyton to Stratford there is only one direct link between Leytonstone high road and Stratford as the 339 only meets the 257 at Harrow Green. What would be advantageous for the W14 is that it would be the first and only route which would connect Leytonstone with Stratford via Leyton station which is an important link especially during the peak hours. The only problem is that there are delays in Leytonstone and traffic in Leyton may exaggerate more delays but hopefully the reliability will remain unaffected. The 339 could stay at Leytonstone if the Whipps Cross issue is resolved but two buses running through Leytonstone High Road is better than serving quiet roads. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the only time I have seen the 339 busy in the extension section is the evening between Stratford and Leytonstone but am sure Tfl wouldn't keep both routes!

[mondraker275]

Jul 18, 2014 14:10:26 GMT nad1152597 said:

Although there are many links from Leyton to Stratford there is only one direct link between Leytonstone high road and Stratford as the 339 only meets the 257 at Harrow Green. What would be advantageous for the W14 is that it would be the first and only route which would connect Leytonstone with Stratford via Leyton station which is an important link especially during the peak hours. The only problem is that there are delays in Leytonstone and traffic in Leyton may exaggerate more delays but hopefully the reliability will remain unaffected. The 339 could stay at Leytonstone if the Whipps Cross issue is resolved but two buses running through Leytonstone High Road is better than serving quiet roads. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the only time I have seen the 339 busy in the extension section is the evening between Stratford and Leytonstone but am sure Tfl wouldn't keep both routes!

The fact it could be the first bus that connects Leytonstone and Stratford via Leyton does not matter. Who takes a bus because it sitops by somewhere they do not intend to get off at? Only tourists in Central London may do that.
TfL chose the 339 and overtime it will be used more and more. Its arrangement at Leytonstone does not help it be accessible to passengers but when extended to Whipps Cross it will serve Leytonstone Station in both directions.

[jrussa]

Here is an suggestion for Route W14 extension to Stratford
Divert it at Grove Green Road towards Leyton via:
Warren Avenue,
right onto Warren Road,
left onto Francis Road (an unserved B road)
right onto High Road Leyton
left onto Capworth Road (Leyton Tesco's)
left onto Church Road
left onto Orient Way onto Marshall Road to Leyton Asda's
back onto Marshall Road
Left onto Ruckholt Road
Via 308 to Stratford International.. (I would have preferred if it went to Stratford Bus Stn, but the the additional journey time is the problem)

The extension, excluding the 5 minutes running time on the timetable between Leyton Town Hall and Grove Green Road, I would estimate the extension to be 15 minutes off peak and 25 minutes other times.


BENEFITS:
1. Chapworth Road and Francis Road will have a bus service to Leyton Bakers Arms/ Leytonstone and Stratford.
2. Church Road would have a connection to Leytonstone.
3. Lea Bridge Road would have a bus service which serves Stratford and Leytonstone.
4. Residents on Church Road, Lea Bridge Road and Francis Road would have a bus service which serves Tesco's and Asda.
5. A bus connection between Leytonstone High Road and Leyton Midlands Road.
6. Francis Road and Lea Bridge Road (The Belvedere Road and Bloxhall Road aspect) will have a nearer/quicker connection to a London Underground Stn (Leyton).

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Jul 18, 2014 14:30:55 GMT jrussa said:

Here is an suggestion for Route W14 extension to Stratford
Divert it at Grove Green Road towards Leyton via:
Warren Avenue,
right onto Warren Road,
left onto Francis Road (an unserved B road)
right onto High Road Leyton
left onto Capworth Road (Leyton Tesco's)
left onto Church Road
left onto Orient Way onto Marshall Road to Leyton Asda's
back onto Marshall Road
Left onto Ruckholt Road
Via 308 to Stratford International.. (I would have preferred if it went to Stratford Bus Stn, but the the additional journey time is the problem)

The extension, excluding the 5 minutes running time on the timetable between Leyton Town Hall and Grove Green Road, I would estimate the extension to be 15 minutes off peak and 25 minutes other times.

I think your route has gone astray. I can't see how a left turn onto Church Rd can get you to Orient Way. Do you mean turn right then left on to Lea Bridge Rd and then left on to Orient Way? If I'm right I don't see how you run this route in reverse as right turns from Lea Bridge Rd to Church Road are prohibited.

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It is very unlikely that the 339 will be extended to Whipps Cross due to the new Mini Holland scheme which will reduce stand space at Whipps Cross. The south of Leyton High Road doesn't have a link to Leytonstone as there are no stops on the 339 to link with Leyton High Road and if the W14 was extended it may have a higher frequency meaning it will be better used by both Leyton and Leytonstone passengers. There will be the odd occasion when the Central Line will either have engineering works or delays meaning that the W14 will be a significant alternative to the eastern end of the line just like the 66. The W14 will also provide an alternative to the 97 between Stratford City and Leyton as the 97 can suffer from delays just like the 158 supports the 69 to Stratford. But I acknowledge that the 339 may improve with loadings.

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Jul 18, 2014 14:30:55 GMT jrussa said:

Here is an suggestion for Route W14 extension to Stratford
Divert it at Grove Green Road towards Leyton via:
Warren Avenue,
right onto Warren Road,
left onto Francis Road (an unserved B road)
right onto High Road Leyton
left onto Capworth Road (Leyton Tesco's)
left onto Church Road
left onto Orient Way onto Marshall Road to Leyton Asda's
back onto Marshall Road
Left onto Ruckholt Road
Via 308 to Stratford International.. (I would have preferred if it went to Stratford Bus Stn, but the the additional journey time is the problem)

The extension, excluding the 5 minutes running time on the timetable between Leyton Town Hall and Grove Green Road, I would estimate the extension to be 15 minutes off peak and 25 minutes other times.


BENEFITS:
1. Chapworth Road and Francis Road will have a bus service to Leyton Bakers Arms/ Leytonstone and Stratford.
2. Church Road would have a connection to Leytonstone.
3. Lea Bridge Road would have a bus service which serves Stratford and Leytonstone.
4. Residents on Church Road, Lea Bridge Road and Francis Road would have a bus service which serves Tesco's and Asda.
5. A bus connection between Leytonstone High Road and Leyton Midlands Road.
6. Francis Road and Lea Bridge Road (The Belvedere Road and Bloxhall Road aspect) will have a nearer/quicker connection to a London Underground Stn (Leyton).

You are basically sending the W14 on a very long detour through to North Leyton and back. I genuinely doubt anyone will actually get this service from Francis Road to Stratford, the road is already within walking distance of Routes 69, 97 & 158 which get you there much quicker.

Church Road already has services to Leyton Retail Park, courtesy of the 58 & 158 leaving you within a short walking distance.

Perhaps it would be better having a new route which covers this virtual circle?

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Jul 16, 2014 19:21:06 GMT nad1152597 said:

I couldn't agree with you more Jamaicarussa!! The W14 is a pretty useful route connecting leyton and leytonstone and eastern central line stations and can sometimes be unable to cope with loadings! This is a local route of mine and it could help the W15 better if it was more regular! It would be a route to connect with other bus services in leyton and stratford!

I really cant believe the W14 cannot cope with loadings, the only time it seems to be very loaded in that manor is if the bus is late and more often than not, there is another one 2-3 mins behind.