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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 22:23:44 GMT
Does anyone know about extra bus provision during the forthcoming tube & DLR strikes ?
Personally , i would hope TfL fund some extra buses on some key routes. Maybe the new LT's being delivered for the 148 could be used across the various LT routes as extras ?
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Post by snoggle on Jan 28, 2014 0:05:33 GMT
Does anyone know about extra bus provision during the forthcoming tube & DLR strikes ? Personally , i would hope TfL fund some extra buses on some key routes. Maybe the new LT's being delivered for the 148 could be used across the various LT routes as extras ? I have no inside track but past practice suggests TfL will try to lay some extra buses on. There are probably oodles of spare buses lurking here and there but the basic question is always - where are the drivers to drive them? I wouldn't be surprised to see Ensign called in to try to help with the DLR strike as they're very familiar with DLR RRS. I have a horrible feeling that the LU strike will be really bad as the ballot covers drivers and station staff. With the TSSA also out then LU will struggle to keep stations open and that will affect things like London Overground interchanges. If it is bad then 100 or so extra buses (what TfL usually manage to get out) will make little impact. It'll be hell on earth as it always is when major tube lines aren't running. The media hysteria about volunteer staff shows they've paid zero attention to the last 4 or 5 strikes where LU have pulled in office staff on each occasion. I've done the ambassador role loads of times but only doing travel advice / information. I refused to be licensed to operate station equipment. Annoyingly I actually have to travel on a couple of the strike days and I'm trying to devise a way to get about that might be relatively immune to the strike effects (some hope!).
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Post by snoggle on Jan 28, 2014 0:19:54 GMT
DLR strike has been cancelled according to the TfL website.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 17:20:19 GMT
DLR strike has been cancelled according to the TfL website. That means I can get to the Excel to see the Class 700 easily
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Post by rambo on Jan 28, 2014 19:29:32 GMT
I wished bus driver stuck together like tube staff.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 28, 2014 21:17:19 GMT
I wished bus driver stuck together like tube staff. In a way they could by running the buses as usual but not collecting fares on the day of protest.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 28, 2014 22:25:39 GMT
I wished bus driver stuck together like tube staff. In a way they could by running the buses as usual but not collecting fares on the day of protest. Given the level of cash fares is minimal I don't see the point. Can drivers legitimately drive their bus with the ETM not logged on? If not then the majority of fares will still be collected because passengers will just touch in on the Oyster reader as normal. I wonder what penalty the operator receives if buses run with ETMs not switched on / logged on? The mileage will still be run but TfL wouldn't get the revenue but that is their risk. Refusing to collect fares harms TfL but not the bus company (well not directly anyway). Provided I-Bus is running on most of the buses then TfL will see the service that is run and what performance was achieved and will pay the operator anyway. I assume any strike action would be the result of problems between the operator and the unions. TfL is one step back from the industrial relations issue and has, Olympics excepted, kept itself out of the way. I suspect Unite would love to have a London wide dispute with TfL but TfL doesn't operate any buses!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 22:39:29 GMT
I wished bus driver stuck together like tube staff. In a way they could by running the buses as usual but not collecting fares on the day of protest. Action short of a strike still requires a ballot I believe, so would require unitary between the drivers at all of the companies. Not performing revenue duties how effective would this be? Also with LUL it's all one organisation but with all of the different bus companies pay and working conditions are going to be different so the drivers working for one company will have different objections for the outcome of any such action.
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Post by rambo on Jan 29, 2014 19:53:19 GMT
Divide and rule. Loads of different bus companies with loads of different contracts.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 30, 2014 12:55:17 GMT
TfL Press Release about the LU strikes and mitigation measures. The usual "100 extra buses" appears in the list of measures. Note Tramlink drivers are on strike on 5 Feb.
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Post by snowman on Jan 30, 2014 14:29:25 GMT
TfL Press Release about the LU strikes and mitigation measures. The usual "100 extra buses" appears in the list of measures. Note Tramlink drivers are on strike on 5 Feb. what practical use is a token 100 buses. A peak hour tube train holds 1000 so covering 9 trains out of a few hundred trains. This is a PR stunt rather than London wide measures to move people.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 30, 2014 14:38:42 GMT
TfL Press Release about the LU strikes and mitigation measures. The usual "100 extra buses" appears in the list of measures. Note Tramlink drivers are on strike on 5 Feb. what practical use is a token 100 buses. A peak hour tube train holds 1000 so covering 9 trains out of a few hundred trains. This is a PR stunt rather than London wide measures to move people. I am sure there are loads more buses that can be made available for use, such as by short term hire from the huge abundance of unsellable ex-London stock. Part of the problem however is getting enough bodies to drive them.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 30, 2014 15:12:05 GMT
TfL Press Release about the LU strikes and mitigation measures. The usual "100 extra buses" appears in the list of measures. Note Tramlink drivers are on strike on 5 Feb. what practical use is a token 100 buses. A peak hour tube train holds 1000 so covering 9 trains out of a few hundred trains. This is a PR stunt rather than London wide measures to move people. Having over 100 buses as extras is better than anything though during a strike.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 30, 2014 17:08:42 GMT
TfL Press Release about the LU strikes and mitigation measures. The usual "100 extra buses" appears in the list of measures. Note Tramlink drivers are on strike on 5 Feb. what practical use is a token 100 buses. A peak hour tube train holds 1000 so covering 9 trains out of a few hundred trains. This is a PR stunt rather than London wide measures to move people. I take your point but London simply does not have enough spare buses and drivers hanging around to replicate the tube's peak time capacity. If TfL did nothing to try to bolster the bus service then it would be criticised to hell and back. I agree 100 buses is a pin prick in trying to deal with 3+m tube journeys being disrupted. Now should I be completely horrible on the day of the strike and go and ask the tube ambassadors infeasibly complex journey requests? (I have done strike cover in the past so have been on the receiving end of hundreds of such requests! - Turnpike Lane to Woolwich Arsenal with no Picc Line running was one that was hard to deal with.)
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 30, 2014 18:48:29 GMT
what practical use is a token 100 buses. A peak hour tube train holds 1000 so covering 9 trains out of a few hundred trains. This is a PR stunt rather than London wide measures to move people. I take your point but we simply do not have enough spare buses and drivers hanging around to replicate the tube's peak time capacity. If TfL did nothing to try to bolster the bus station then it would be criticised to hell and back. I agree 100 buses is a pin prick in trying to deal with 3m tube journeys being disrupted. Now should I be completely horrible on the day of the strike and go and ask the tube ambassadors infeasibly complex journey requests? (I have done strike cover in the past so have been on the receiving end of hundreds of such requests! - Turnpike Lane to Woolwich Arsenal with no Picc Line running was one that was hard to deal with.) 123 to Ilford, 25/86 to Manor Park, 474 to North Woolwich then the Woolwich Ferry? Or what about swapping the 25/86 for the 366 to Beckton for the 474?
I wish luck to all the staff helping out people that day (and obviously those getting around) , especially because they will probably receive a lot of hostility to the public who will have a go at the first person who looks like staff (or on Twitter feeds like SWT here today and yesterday due to signalling issues).
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