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Post by rambo on Jan 31, 2014 20:03:28 GMT
Heard this from another driver, so make of it what you will.
TFL are going to introduce microphones above the drivers cab door to record conversations between drivers and passengers.
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Post by moz on Jan 31, 2014 20:26:18 GMT
That's been a rumour since the very start of CCTV being installed. Apart from a few basic positions a lot of CCTV positioning is down to the operating company and not TfL, for instance I know Go Ahead have a camera that faces the driver but Arriva London South do not (mind you, that's a union agreement!).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 23:44:35 GMT
That's been a rumour since the very start of CCTV being installed. Apart from a few basic positions a lot of CCTV positioning is down to the operating company and not TfL, for instance I know Go Ahead have a camera that faces the driver but Arriva London South do not (mind you, that's a union agreement!). Moz I noticed that especially on EB1 or EB2 seemed quite invasive for the driver being directly filmed all the time. |
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Post by greeny253 on Feb 1, 2014 9:05:33 GMT
The camera in the cab is more to do with filming the cab window than the actual driver. Certainly the company I work for says that a lot of assaults were happening at drivers cab windows hence the cameras.
They can also be used to protect the driver. Apparently one of our staff was observed using a mobile phone on a driving assessment. Camera cleared him of it as it showed he clearly wasn't.
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Post by rambo on Feb 1, 2014 16:44:50 GMT
Must admit, I feel the only reason for the camera on the driver is its easier to get rid of the driver and replace with a cheaper driver.
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Post by greeny253 on Feb 1, 2014 16:47:04 GMT
Must admit, I feel the only reason for the camera on the driver is its easier to get rid of the driver and replace with a cheaper driver. As do the colleagues of mine who cover them. If drivers aren't doing anything wrong, what is there to worry about? |
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Post by guybowden on Feb 1, 2014 18:19:20 GMT
I've heard this rumour too and according to somebody on the union committee it is happening but on a trail basis and then gradually rolled out, but I'm guessing all new buses delivered new will have microphones fitted once approved.
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Post by greeny253 on Feb 1, 2014 18:28:12 GMT
I'm gonna jump in here and ask the same question I asked a driver at Bow who mentioned this. Just where exactly would they put the necessary equipment to store the recordings? And don't all answer the cab because as the drivers on here will be well aware, some cabs are more cramped than others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 18:54:57 GMT
Greeny ... I would imagine next to where the CCTV images are stored ... an extra hard drive would not be very big
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Post by M1104 on Feb 2, 2014 4:55:02 GMT
I'm gonna jump in here and ask the same question I asked a driver at Bow who mentioned this. Just where exactly would they put the necessary equipment to store the recordings? And don't all answer the cab because as the drivers on here will be well aware, some cabs are more cramped than others. Some double deckers have little access doors on the side of the staircase. |
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Post by greeny253 on Feb 2, 2014 10:01:51 GMT
Both valid points. Still can't see the operators or TfL footing the bill for something that, in my opinion, would have limited value. I'm gonna jump in here and ask the same question I asked a driver at Bow who mentioned this. Just where exactly would they put the necessary equipment to store the recordings? And don't all answer the cab because as the drivers on here will be well aware, some cabs are more cramped than others. Some double deckers have little access doors on the side of the staircase. Some but not all and under the staircase on a Volvo B7 is where you'll find the fuel tank and relays. Most other buses the fuel tank at least. |
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Post by rambo on Feb 2, 2014 21:07:29 GMT
Must admit, I feel the only reason for the camera on the driver is its easier to get rid of the driver and replace with a cheaper driver. As do the colleagues of mine who cover them. If drivers aren't doing anything wrong, what is there to worry about? Depends who decides what 'wrong' is. |
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Post by eggmiester on Feb 2, 2014 21:31:03 GMT
Greeny ... I would imagine next to where the CCTV images are stored ... an extra hard drive would not be very big A lot of the newer buses store the cctv on flash drives that get downloaded automatically via a WIFI downlink at the depot every time the bus is shut down. Older systems use hot swapping hard drives that can be removed for download and replaced with another drive. these drives can store anything between a week to 2 months footage depending on size and file compression employed. |
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Post by deppy42 on Feb 2, 2014 21:58:59 GMT
Greeny ... I would imagine next to where the CCTV images are stored ... an extra hard drive would not be very big A lot of the newer buses store the cctv on flash drives that get downloaded automatically via a WIFI downlink at the depot every time the bus is shut down. Older systems use hot swapping hard drives that can be removed for download and replaced with another drive. these drives can store anything between a week to 2 months footage depending on size and file compression employed. Bit ahead of yourself there, flash drives and solid state technology has been played with, but the technology is not quite there. New buses normally have upto a 1TB hard drive and recordings are made direct to this (recording times are dependent on amount of time in service, number of cameras, frame rates, picture quality etc.) the ability to download footage remotely is still a way off, imagine the run in at a normal garage, all that video footage trying to download at the same time as other buses, in theory it could work but again the technology is not ready.......yet. |
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Post by eggmiester on Feb 3, 2014 1:15:25 GMT
A lot of the newer buses store the cctv on flash drives that get downloaded automatically via a WIFI downlink at the depot every time the bus is shut down. Older systems use hot swapping hard drives that can be removed for download and replaced with another drive. these drives can store anything between a week to 2 months footage depending on size and file compression employed. Bit ahead of yourself there, flash drives and solid state technology has been played with, but the technology is not quite there. New buses normally have upto a 1TB hard drive and recordings are made direct to this (recording times are dependent on amount of time in service, number of cameras, frame rates, picture quality etc.) the ability to download footage remotely is still a way off, imagine the run in at a normal garage, all that video footage trying to download at the same time as other buses, in theory it could work but again the technology is not ready.......yet. Ok, was a wee bit ahead of myself but not by much!!!  systems in place at Go-ahead London garages: The CCTV systems in use are of 3 models. Earlier systems fitted to all vehicle's prior to 2009 use the hot swap style hard drive system. Drives average around 400GB and store up to 2-3 weeks footage at a very low frame per second. The only difference in the ex ETB VWL's use larger drives (around 500GB) and can store up to a month at a time. When footage is required the drives are taken out and 'swapped' with a spare drive and the footage is downloaded to PC, whereby it can be recorded to CD as a data file. These older systems are not capable of recording to HD or DVD quality. systems average between 8 and 10 cameras. Later vehicles use a combination of 1 or 2TB Hard Drives and Flash drive capability and can download via WIFI links installed in the garage. When CCTV is required the date and time range is set and once the bus is in range of the WIFI the on board DVR will 'check-in' and upload any footage that has been requested. Other than that the footage will be stored on board for about 4 weeks (due to higher video format and more channels), these systems normally employ up to 16 cameras. GAL's CCTV provider is currently Synetics for new builds and maintenance, previously 21st Century and LOOK CCTV have been used and such their systems are still in use today. |
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